Cartier VS Rolex

[Ricco]

Is anyone here a long time owner of a Cartier?

I wonder if a Cartier is as ' hard working ' as a Rollie...
Will it last as long ?

Whats everyone take on each brand equity? Are they on par?

[MonBK]

There it is..:)

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by Ricco

Is anyone here a long time owner of a Cartier?

I wonder if a Cartier is as ' hard working ' as a Rollie...
Will it last as long ?

Whats everyone take on each brand equity? Are they on par?

My wife has one as a beater and beats the crap out of it at the gym 3 days a week and doing things around the house. No problems. Santos 100.

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by MonBK

There it is..:)

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[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Ricco

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How quickly we forget..........Just a few minutes ago you asked where your post went.

[psv]

Sorry, but Cartier has never been a watch company per se, they are a jewelry company so in the eyes of watch collectors, they are a no go, unless you like the designs.

Comparing a Cartier to a Rolex is pretty much like swearing in church.

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by MonBK

How quickly we forget..........Just a few minutes ago you asked where your post went.

Ah...
I retyped my thread....

Still wondering....

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by psv

Sorry, but Cartier has never been a watch company per se, they are a jewelry company so in the eyes of watch collectors, they are a no go, unless you like the designs.

Comparing a Cartier to a Rolex is pretty much like swearing in church.

I thought they have inhouse movements?

[psv]

The newer ones have in-house, an attempt by owner Richemont to raise the value of the brand/their investment.

[boa2]

Originally Posted by Ricco

I thought they have inhouse movements?

They do.

They had the Private Collection, with JLC movements, and now have some of their own. They also now produce pieces at the high end, with complications that Rolex does not. Their watches are very durable, and their service is excellent.







If you've not handled them in person, it's definitely worthwhile. They are making amazing pieces. The watch buying public may be catching up to their abilities, but the watchmaking world respects them immensely. This I have seen, and heard, firsthand. That's as detailed as I'll get.

That said, Cartier and Rolex are producing very different lines.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by psv

Sorry, but Cartier has never been a watch company per se, they are a jewelry company so in the eyes of watch collectors, they are a no go, unless you like the designs.

Comparing a Cartier to a Rolex is pretty much like swearing in church.

Not this again.

[Ricco]

Originally Posted by boa2

They do.

They had the Private Collection, with JLC movements, and now have some of their own. They also now produce pieces at the high end, with complications that Rolex does not. Their watches are very durable, and their service is excellent.







If you've not handled them in person, it's definitely worthwhile. They are making amazing pieces. The watch buying public may be catching up to their abilities, but the watchmaking world respects them immensely. This I have seen, and heard, firsthand. That's as detailed as I'll get.

That said, Cartier and Rolex are producing very different lines.

I feel cartier has more 'trendy, frenchie' design...while rolexes are just timeless..

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by psv

Sorry, but Cartier has never been a watch company per se, they are a jewelry company so in the eyes of watch collectors, they are a no go, unless you like the designs.

Comparing a Cartier to a Rolex is pretty much like swearing in church.

*Sigh* Recently they're making a conscious effort to seriously enter the watch market. Their in-house movements are nothing to be scoffed at.

If you go for a Cartier get a newer one from their higher end line. (For the life of me I can't remember what it's called) Anything below about $5000 is an ETA ebauche and probably not worth the money unless you're dead set on the design. (Tank for example)

That being said, if you love the design of a certain Cartier go for it regardless.

[Ebruner]

I have recently handled several of the High end pieces, and they all felt cheep.

Sorry, but I would not own one.


-Eddie

[rr-nyc]

Cartier may be a jeweler but their watches are pretty damn nice. If you've never tried one on or looked at one up close, you really should before writing it off as a fancy case maker. I have a 38mm pasha chrono with a Frederic Piguet movement is stunning to look at

[Demosthene]

Originally Posted by psv

Sorry, but Cartier has never been a watch company per se, they are a jewelry company so in the eyes of watch collectors, they are a no go, unless you like the designs.

Cartier was one of the driving forces behind establishing wristwatches as suitable for a male clientele.
They also forged new ground in male wristwatch design, the Cartier Tank in particular has remained a classic that’s been in production since 1917 and is easily comparable to the Submariner in terms of design pedigree.

Say what you like about them as a modern company, but there heritage is infallible.

[toph]

Originally Posted by Mockingbird

*Sigh* Recently they're making a conscious effort to seriously enter the watch market. Their in-house movements are nothing to be scoffed at.

If you go for a Cartier get a newer one from their higher end line. (For the life of me I can't remember what it's called) Anything below about $5000 is an ETA ebauche and probably not worth the money unless you're dead set on the design. (Tank for example)

That being said, if you love the design of a certain Cartier go for it regardless.

+1000

[blackmsport]

Rolex = swiss watch

Cartier = swiss fashion

Cartier used to be famous in making this

[toph]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Rolex = swiss watch

Cartier = swiss fashion

Cartier used to be famous in making this

i am not having a go at all, but cartier now make much more complicated, innovative and refined pieces than rolex. they moved down this route a couple of year ago. too many people on here still have blinkers on and find it impossible to be obective

[blackmsport]

Haha this is trf and not "the open minded forum"
of course we are blind

[toph]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Haha this is trf and not "the open minded forum"
of course we are blind

how could i forget

[travisb]

I think more jewelry, not watches.
With Rolex It's all about the watch.
Cartier does make some nice watches but IMO they are not "on par" with Rolex when it comes to watchmaking, craftsmanship, quality and service.

[sub2004]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Haha this is trf and not "the open minded forum"
of course we are blind

Best post/comment I have read in ages. Made me laugh, too true mate. If watches were a religion, Rolex would be heaven.

[roleyrolz]

There like panarei and Rolex to completely different looks and styles. Both have there ups and downs. I prefer rolex. For anything above what Rolex offers there are so many more watch brands to look at. Like many have said unless u absolutely love the cartier design there are so many better options.

[psv]

We all know there are no absolute rankings, only people's perception.

Sure, Cartier has produced some historically distinct designs along the way as they are an old jewelry company, but the focus was never on watch-making per se.

To the OP, he wondered if Cartier is "hard working" and if the brand equity are on par. In my opinion they are not. Rolex is perhaps best known/loved for their professional tools sport watches, which are very robust and reliable. Certainly not elegant or full of complications. In this segment I don't see how Cartier can be on the same level as Rolex.

Now it is admirable that Richemont wants to elevate the status of Cartier and introduce manufacture movements, complications and increased quality in finishing. But this doesn't really change my personal opinion about the brand in the short run. We'll see how it plays out over time. Just because GM decides that Buick should put out some sport cars, which at least look good on papers, doesn't mean that they are on par with Porsche or Ferrari.

[bewithabob]

Originally Posted by Demosthene

Cartier was one of the driving forces behind establishing wristwatches as suitable for a male clientele.
They also forged new ground in male wristwatch design, the Cartier Tank in particular has remained a classic that’s been in production since 1917 and is easily comparable to the Submariner in terms of design pedigree.

Say what you like about them as a modern company, but there heritage is infallible.

x2

Their service is impeccable; their designs are timeless. I have a Cartier wedding band. My wife has several Cartier watches in her collection, all of which have kept flawless time. When they were sent for periodic service, they came back gorgeous.

A few years ago, I purchased a Cartier Santos XL, which rides nice, is an eye catcher and runs perfectly. It's not a ROLEX, but I didn't buy it with that in mind. I prefer ROLEX, but I am also a fan of Cartier.

[cisco1]

Trolling is allowed I see.
Considering Cartier as not a real watch company...never seen something that stupid Cartier is one of the most historical and important wriswatch company.

Well the first which did actually a wristwatch, even if there are pocket watches adapted before , the first real wriswatch is the Santos, thought and engineered for a pilot.

Designs of the 20s, Tortue, Tank are amazing and never out of fashion, thourgh a genius design.
Huge sales now, but in the 20s they were not for everyone. Cartier was the brand of kings at that time.
Cartier is a big collector's brand, with Patek and Rolex, if you follow auctions, it is easy to see.

The "in-house" stuff is a recent fashion completely ignoring the horology history with all the suppliers. Jaeger did a lot for every luxury grand, Piguet too and for chronograph some specialist like Valjoux, and we can talk about modules.

You seem to put Rolex on top because of this "in-house" argument ,
What's in a Midas? a Piguet
I am pretty sure there is also a Cellini equipped with a Piguet in the actual offer, but I can't remember which.
What's in all chronographs till the Daytona "Zénith", a Valjoux
What's in a Daytona Zénith: a modified Zénith
What's in the last chronograph... finally an in-house chronograph... but if you think they have done it all alone without other supplier experience, they are not that stupid. Ask Dubois Depraz ...

To finish about movement:
Rolex developped automatic robust and simple movement, and they did well, from reliability, and servicing point of view, certainly the best.
But compared to what Omega and Jaeger did as watch movement in their history, this is just not the same level, and I do love Rolex and have no Omega or Jaeger.

A nearly 2000 messages which writes that, wow, I think I have seen enough.

Have fun guys.

[psv]

Bye bye!

[R.G]

Anyone trying to make headway with an argument about Cartier over Rolex on this site is hitting a brick wall - Non-Rolex forum or not.

Cartier is a 'jeweller' not just a watchmaker, so for any 'watchmaker' fan I can understand some of the comments here.

Unless you have been to a Cartier store and actually felt the timepeices and tried them on then you can't make any statements either.

Rolex watches are fantastic, you can't deny that. We are clearly all fans, hence our activity here. Realistically though you can't attempt to compare the two brands watches as the models and attributes are just too different.

Rolex's offerings will provide the owner with things that perhaps Cartier don't in terms of build maybe. One thing I will say however is that Cartier not only offer classic long-running designs but also more recent designs, which in my opinion are just way, way ahead.

[R.G]

Originally Posted by blackmsport

Rolex = swiss watch

Cartier = swiss fashion

Cartier used to be famous in making this

No offence, but whats your point??

Lamborghini started off making tractors. Does this mean you would associate a Diablo with agriculture? No, don't think so.

Oh, and Rolex produce cufflinks and ties by the way...