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8 December 2019, 01:04 AM | #61 | |
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8 December 2019, 01:58 AM | #62 |
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Funny thing is that you are posting this question with the optimistic assumption that you can get a good offer price for the 5070R in a timely fashion. Truth of the matter is that the only question here is if you want a let go your 5711 or not.
5070R number produced pieces is low but the market for it is also small. Don't let the go 5070R for peanuts. So my advise is if you get a good offer on the 5070R then sell it otherwise sell 5711. Good luck
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8 December 2019, 06:55 AM | #64 |
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A few points of my own to further validate Bruno:
- real market for good condition 5070 is €60k - more if NOS - P totally different. - don’t forget that the 5070 has climbed in price spectacularly too. It’s list price was if I recall correctly back in 1998 as little as £18k GBP. The J has made a real comeback as well. Overall it’s done what the 5711 did and held it’s value for far longer. Less likely to be a fad. - the 5711 has always traded above MSRP. The premium exploded in the last 2 years however. Back to O/P - Very best of luck. Let us know what you decide! |
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Well, I don't understand from where you've got the impression this was a sale pitch, or pre-sale as you might suggest. Well, thinking twice, you've affirmed that as a fact -- please forgive me if I misunderstood you. I do reckon this type of sales pitch could be quite common nowadays, though I am a person that has much bigger dreams than resources, it seems. It's not easy to let things you really like go. best |
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Thank you so much, all of you guys ! Super nice, plenty of ideas!
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Thank you, again! Well, Mr Batman , you've got my dilemma. When the trend was bound to let the 5070R go, you've came with beautiful words about it, which I really agree with. Both watches are super nice, love them. So, my decision is, for now, keeping both, and rent a MH ... Just fyi - and please bear with me if this was too much of talking already - but when I came to see one MH , I have told the owner about my idea of selling one watch to buy his coach. You won't believe his face, he couldn't avoid asking what kind of watch could it possibly be?? It's kind of funny how we give value to things -- how could such small amount of gold buy such much more resourceful equipment like a motorhome, that can carry you to distances , and even suitable for living in it ... Well, guess it's not this time I could understand fully what I have just said ... best |
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Just stating the facts , it’s what it is. That’s the market, I don’t make the rules Good luck Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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8 December 2019, 12:35 PM | #69 |
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5711
Wearable as a daily, all day everyday. Hard to beat. Greatest SS sports watch ever made. Greatest hurdle that the 5711 encounters is to resign oneself to enjoying it as a daily... at that point the watch will bring you tremendous satisfaction. After selling ~30 watches in my evolution, the 5711 is the only one I miss and would consider owning again.
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I just said what would happen if you put on sale a 5070R (obviously less market ) and that it’s easier to sell 5711 Sorry I commented on your post, I won’t again Good luck with whatever you end up doing
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The greatest watch ever is the 5522....according to TRFer Codecow who hasnt posted for aggggeees
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I was convinced Louis was trolling and then he kept it up so long I am unsure if he was serious or not.
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Thank you so much, all of you guys !
For all that answered and also for those that just read it, I'd like to thank you.
As I said, I'll keep both for now, as I still love them. Just don't wear them and that's the origin of my doubt. Apparently, 5711 would be the winner to sell bc the inflation. 5711/1A is indeed a lovely piece anyway, but I feel that 5711 prices are super high for the piece . Also, as it is already noted on other threads, the asking prices are getting a hit apparently. IMHO, all this mess or the majority of it might be put onto dealers shoulders -- they always try to get as much as possible and demand versus availability becomes distorted - kind of TULIPE effect, as Bruno once said about Panerai ( and I believe he was right). I can't figure out how many people really love 5711 because the watch per se, or because the hype. Still, owners of 5711 are not complaining.... best |
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Take it for what it is
But on WatchProSite 46 would keep the 5070 and 6 would keep the 5711
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Bruno that doesnt surprise me at all. Different forums. TRF is very much sports watch orientated. I dont think you would even be allowed to say the 5070 sucks on WP.....you would have to state that it's a wonderful watch but not to your personal taste at this.moment in time. I think even if you compared a 5070P to the original 5711P it will lean to 5070P. Regards
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Not according to the broader market. Take both to auction and find out.
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Personally I don't care much for either and have no idea how "broad" the market is for these, though based on price I'd suspect it's rather limited. Of course in the auction format you suggest, it only takes 2. |
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The 5070J was about £19000 in 1995 and probably £50 000 today. The 5711P today new is circa $100k and will easily achieve $340k at auction. The 5070P is iconic based on that blue dial and 1 year production run. So a guess is 250 in existence. The 5711P nobody really knows but they definately seen far less on preowned market. I am a pleb...and not nostalgic....I certainly dont want a vintage PP at 35mm no matter how scarce it is
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I hear you. The gist of it is that the 5711P was likely made in smaller numbers and secondary is around double that of the 5070P. Just the markets bias for sports watches.
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Theres 2 people with a tombstone here
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[QUOTE=Fat_ninja;10195646]Theres 2 people with a tombstone here[/QUOTE
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From philipps latest auction.
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