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Old 11 April 2017, 12:32 PM   #1
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

I can't stand the fact that I risk damaging my GMT by using anything but a great set of these tweezers. I ordered them out of Oakland CA. That was the only US company I could find that had them. I try not to shop Ebay if I can avoid it. Now the wait for them to arrive so I can swap out straps and bracelets on my own.

Do I need to mask the lugs with tape with these?
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Old 11 April 2017, 12:35 PM   #2
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I do. It takes a few seconds and protects against any mishap.
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Old 13 April 2017, 05:18 AM   #3
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I do. It takes a few seconds and protects against any mishap.
^^^ this - why take the chance
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Old 12 April 2017, 05:48 AM   #4
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

This are my tool

Yes you need to use masking tape as a protection

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Old 15 April 2017, 01:49 PM   #5
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This are my tool

Yes you need to use masking tape as a protection

Yep agreed. This is mine (I compared it to my friends Bergeon) and it's exactly the same. It costs $80 (now it says $89, but it was $80 when I bought it) so I thought it was a pretty good deal and it works great. It even comes with extra interchangeable forks





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For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
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Cool. Thanks very much for the help. I am ordering one. I will let you know how it goes.

Yep, that's the one I use and it works great
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Old 15 April 2017, 03:15 PM   #6
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Yep agreed. This is mine (I compared it to my friends Bergeon) and it's exactly the same. It costs $80 (now it says $89, but it was $80 when I bought it) so I thought it was a pretty good deal and it works great. It even comes with extra interchangeable forks
The plier is same but the fork tips (and end especially) are not the same. Horofix appears slimmer and more prone to breaking whereas Bergeon appears more solid. That's what I gathered from all the posts.
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:35 PM   #7
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For me this one http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

But just don't try and do this in a rush. The case/bracelet gap is super tight. The only one I personally know that is worse is the Pelagos.
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The plier is same but the fork tips (and end especially) are not the same. Horofix appears slimmer and more prone to breaking whereas Bergeon appears more solid. That's what I gathered from all the posts.
Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
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Old 15 April 2017, 04:36 PM   #8
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
Thanks, so Bergeon tips will fit on Horofix?
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Old 17 April 2017, 02:09 PM   #9
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong
http://www.esslinger.com/horofix-wat...ers-band-tool/

So that's two pairs, four tips, with different ends 1 and 1.4mm and the 1mm fit six digit Rolex?


Why are people spending all that money on Bergeon and then filing the tip to fit their Rolex? Yet those who buy Horofix aren't buying the best for their Rolex yet they fit without filing?

What am I missing?
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Old 17 April 2017, 05:20 PM   #10
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Horofix gives you 4 different sized fork tips for different size spring bars. The ones that come with the watch definitely fit Rolex spring bars and they are strong Even if you were worried about that you could order the Horofix and then also order the bergeon fork tips that will fit for a few dollars
Thanks for the info
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Old 19 June 2017, 10:11 PM   #11
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This are my tool

Yes you need to use masking tape as a protection

Hi Nursejm, is the 6825-PF suitable for a subc?

just a bit confused by the ofrei site...
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Old 19 June 2017, 10:15 PM   #12
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Hi Nursejm, is the 6825-PF suitable for a subc?

just a bit confused by the ofrei site...
Yes, but the 7825 is better, as it's modeled after the Rolex 3200. Don't bother with any others.
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Old 20 June 2017, 04:56 AM   #13
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Hi Nursejm, is the 6825-PF suitable for a subc?



just a bit confused by the ofrei site...


Its not compatible..

Use the tool i used in this video

https://youtu.be/2lRSYIyhDro


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Old 20 June 2017, 08:51 AM   #14
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i found this video that shows how easy it is to remove the bracelet. I like his technique, clean and scratch free.

I cringe watching some videos where they kept digging the lugs to remove the springbar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdNzoCaemM
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Old 12 April 2017, 06:51 AM   #15
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I've been torn between this more complete tool and the general bergeon tweezers.

Any pro and con, one over the other?

Would you mind providing the link / company name where you ordered?

Thank you.
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Old 12 April 2017, 07:06 AM   #16
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Broke down and ordered a Bergeon 7825 tool

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I've been torn between this more complete tool and the general bergeon tweezers.

Any pro and con, one over the other?

Would you mind providing the link / company name where you ordered?

Thank you.


Bought it here 2 years ago

http://www.ofrei.com/

The advantage of these than tweezers is that you can micro adjust accurately opening /width of those 2 forks. Based on the width of the lugs.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:20 PM   #17
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Also you can tighten those tweezers so they stay clamped on the springbar. Sometimes when you squeeze the springbar ends, if your angle is slightly off the forks on the tweezers will snap off since they're not sitting perfectly on the springbar collars. So with those, once I get them clamped nicely I'll just tighten the screw so they'll stay clamped and then remove the springbar with the bracelet.

Not sure if that's the correct way to use them though.

Also I probably broke down that process a little more than I had too. I was pretty OCD about replacing my blnr bracelet. Now it's not that big of deal.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:36 PM   #18
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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:50 PM   #19
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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
The 7825 is better for Rolex. It has worked flawlessly for me on any 5 or 6 digit Rolex and also any Tudor..... You can rest assured.
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:03 AM   #20
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I too just bought the 7825 from Ofrei, received last friday and couldn't be happier, works perfectly.
I am a firm believer in using the right (quality) tool for the job for efficiency and damage avoidance and this fit the bill.
Unfortunately it is pricey, have you guys noticed the complete tool is $150 and replacement tips are $130??
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:33 PM   #21
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I have the 7825 and love it. So much easier than doing one side at a time, and less risk of damaging the case.
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Old 12 April 2017, 11:50 PM   #22
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Are the forks that come with 6825PF 1.1mm wide and needed to file down on both side before you can use on Rolex?
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:15 AM   #23
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Good practice with the 6767 (fine fork tip for no-hole lugs; probe for older lugs) gave better outcomes in my experience. You can tape the lugs but over time you'll not need to do that.
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:24 AM   #24
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I ordered mine on eBay but couldn't find any in the U.S. unfortunately. I'm still waiting for it to be delivered..
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Old 13 April 2017, 12:46 AM   #25
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I have a hard time with this.

I bought a knock off tool for sub $50 from Asia - same thing exactly as the 6825 - but I'm horrible. I can't pinch the pin long enough to insert the bracelet in the head.

I bought he bullet and bought the 7825 for $170 - we'll see if it's any easier.
I hope it is, but probably not.

And I mean, mis handle the tweezer and the pin pops out and flies across the room into a shag carpet type of pain in the neck.
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Old 13 April 2017, 02:01 AM   #26
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Do I need to mask the lugs with tape with these?
No, you don't need tape as the springbar will never touch the case. Get a case cushion too, it's makes the job 100 times easier as you need have the endlink pressed firmly into the case cushion which means holding the watch head at a 45° angle as you compress the springbar.

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So your saying the 6825 is better than the 7825 ? I'm finally going to order one .
The FF forks (the finest available) don't fit Rolex unless you file them down, so no, I wouldn't say it's better

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I have a hard time with this.

I bought a knock off tool for sub $50 from Asia - same thing exactly as the 6825 - but I'm horrible. I can't pinch the pin long enough to insert the bracelet in the head.

I bought he bullet and bought the 7825 for $170 - we'll see if it's any easier.
I hope it is, but probably not.

And I mean, mis handle the tweezer and the pin pops out and flies across the room into a shag carpet type of pain in the neck.
Get a case cushion. The small amount of give in the case cushion lets you position and hold the endlink correctly.
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Old 3 August 2017, 01:49 AM   #27
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No, you don't need tape as the springbar will never touch the case. Get a case cushion too, it's makes the job 100 times easier as you need have the endlink pressed firmly into the case cushion which means holding the watch head at a 45° angle as you compress the springbar.



The FF forks (the finest available) don't fit Rolex unless you file them down, so no, I wouldn't say it's better



Get a case cushion. The small amount of give in the case cushion lets you position and hold the endlink correctly.
Where to get this cushion thing if i may ask?
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Old 13 April 2017, 03:32 AM   #28
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the 7825 and 3200 work the best in my experience: some of the others are too wide to fit the slot in the endlink.
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the 7825 and 3200 work the best in my experience: some of the others are too wide to fit the slot in the endlink.
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Old 13 April 2017, 03:48 AM   #30
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Does the 7825 work well on the Speedy Pro?
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