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25 June 2020, 05:11 PM | #31 | |
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You ask the question about triple assembly, the answer is it would achieve nothing since the two part process covers first the mechanical aspects of the piece and second the finish of the piece, a third assembly would not add anything and indeed is likely to introduce issues. Lange famously double assemble all their pieces, this does give a great base level of finish across the range but isn’t quite the same process that Patek follows with it’s double assembled pieces. As to whether this extra level of finishing is worth it, well that is up to the prospective owner to decide based on their view on the importance of the finish and of course budget. |
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There are many things that contribute to the movement quality, but having owned many great pieces I've never been disappointed by any PP or Lange. |
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Minute repeaters are out of my price point and I personally haven't seen/heard one in the flesh. The closest was the Zeitwerk striking time. I think I am closer to a JLC Memovox rrrrrrrr.iiiiiinnnnnng than a ding ding :) Double assembly is like another round of finishing - it's like winning the olympics by a split second. You pay a lot for that extra. However once you get to that level maybe there is no turning back. I'm starting to come round to the 5370P myself except it is a bit large no? |
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last week i went through the same decision process as you, among exactly the same three models.... i tried them all on in person here in NYC, and ended up with 3940R, which just arrived a few days ago. i posted some wrist shots in my post above
i'm also in my 30's (at least for a shot time longer!) and work in the fashion / arts world..... patek perpetual calendar holds a special place in the hearts of many vintage / neo-vintage collectors myself included, i also agree with the other comments above regarding finishing of the 5170 vs 5370..... you can't really compare them but in person 5170 it's not as bad as you imply....... if you do decide to go chrono i would rather have the patek than the lange but it's basically a subjective decision at this level! post a pic when you get it! |
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Great pickup! How did you source it? After trying them on, care to share your thoughts on the other pieces and why you ultimately went 3940? I know this is your opinion, but it's always helpful to hear the logic of another WIS. |
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all three are excellent watches and ultimately it comes down to your own aesthetics and what is important to you in choosing modern vs vintage..... as i mentioned i bought the 3940r last week and wen through the same thought process as you. the perpetual calendar is my personal grail and in my mind is the pinnacle of watchmaking, particularly from patek......... regarding the styling of the watch, as a general ethos, i prefer understated elegance because i am 6 feet tall with quite thin wrists and this style what i naturally gravitate towards along with daytonas..... and then there's the patek DNA in the 3940 that makes it so special...... there's a quote from John Reardon, the former International Head of Watches at Christie’s saying "for the price, there is arguably no other watch that encapsulates all that defines Patek Philippe.” for me the 3940 and the perpetual calendar is about romance, history, and DNA. the perpetual calendar itself is a romantic idea if you think about it- they found a way to make it perfect forever. the history of the 3940 was interesting for me to learn about as well-- how it brought patek out of the quartz crisis in the 1980s and marked the beginning of patek's dominance over its competition through creating ultra luxurious complications and achieving them at the highest level of watchmaking. this history, combined with the pure patek DNA of its styling as a dress watch, combined with the ultimate complication of the perpetual calendar, was what drove me to buy the watch last week...... i went for the rose gold because that color is so mellow / complex / rich when you see it in person, and there are only 1,500 made of the R color (more rare). the 5205 and 5170 are modern watches and so it is a completely different feeling of excitement one derives from wearing them. the 5205 is attractive because in my mind it is styled after the 5207G (perpetual calendar/ minute repeater/ tourbillon super super grand complication) which must go for almost 1 million dollars now? when i tried on the 5205 it was beautiful but sits too tall and top heavy on my skinny arms, personally just for me. the watch has an art-deco feel to it but also super modern at the same time. annual calendar in a modern patek case vs perpetual calendar in a neo-vintage case is the decision to be made here of course. 5205 feels very modern to me because of its proportions. its annual calendar movement is an excellent modern movement. the 5170 i was also interested in buying, but the watch was too large and flat for my wrist given how tall and skinny i am.... the watch is attractive in my mind because it reminds me one of those old school doctors taking your pulse by hand and looking at his chronograph / pulsometer to measure the time. i did not have any qualms regarding the finishing, as you mentioned, but was not looking with a 100x loupe.... again a very modern watch with a nod to some elements of the past.. in my opinion all three are superior watches when i tried them on in person, and you can't go wrong with any of them - the decision to go modern vs vintage is more personal and up to you ! it's like asking what kind of wine do you prefer |
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Some great info here...I also have the 5370p and the dato lumen like Russell and agree that the Dato is incredible but nothing can touch the 5370p for its elegant perfection
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The only modern Patek that fit well on me is the 5205 (I love the R) - but truly do not care for the annual calendar complication; it felt flimsy upon actuation. Then I went over to Lange...and I have to say, people on this forum are clear that Lange's are cold and have poor case design. I couldn't have disagreed more. The Dato - thick, but solid on the wrist. The Data perp in rose gold? Had my heart a flutter. Lange 1 Moonphase was oozing of charm and elegance. The 1815 Chrono was a stunner! ... I've never owned a Patek. A part of me thinks I would regret not buying a Patek. But.. I may be more of a Lange guy than a Patek guy Am I crazy? |
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Based on my own experience, the 5170 fits better than the 5205 on smaller wrist. My wrist is 6.4" and the 5170 fits perfect, while the 5205 is slightly too big.
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My view has always been the finish on the movements should be the same on all movements from the company. I believe Lange has this standard as do most new higher end independents.
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In the past Patek seemed to finish all things to top-level standards. Are you saying there are various levels of finish today for cheaper timpeieces versus 'statement pieces'?
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out of all these i will take the 5970 perpetual calendar in platinum please |
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I own the 5170g (black) and am as smitten with it now as when I first bought it. I think the dial is spaced better than the white.
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