DD2 was a mistake !!!!

[lefty1999]

I agree with your comments about the DJ II to some extent. Definitely geared towards a younger crowd. I have owned a 116333 and feel that it is one of the best TT watches currently available. However, I am sure these "young" folks still care and respect the heritage of the Datejust. Also, I am another one for the DJ II to have the Jubilee bracelet. Really would have thought Rolex would have done this as this year is the 70th anniversary of the Datejust. Oh well, maybe for the 75th, or 80th.

As for the DD II, I personally really like this watch. To me, it is a great compliment to the DD and see nothing wrong with it. However, when initially compared to the pictures of the DD 40, I must say that the DD 40 appears better proportioned. We will only know this to be true when an actual side-by-side comparison is done later this year.

I honestly think that what held Rolex from offering a jubilee on the DJ2 was the DD2 itself and how the hidden clasp of the new super jubilee would look close to the president (if not better in some people opinion) so they held back and offered it only with the sporty oyster bracelet which was just as well because almost everyone agrees that the watch looks very sporty and modern in design

[sunnyd]

For me, it wasn't the 1mm difference that I didn,t like, I just wasn't a fan of the size of the markers on the DJ/DD2. IMO they stick out too much on the dial.

[GradyPhilpott]

Let's just say:

1. Rolex doesn't make mistakes.

2. Only Rolex knows why Rolex makes any decision.

3. Any attempt to assign a rationale to a Rolex decision is an exercise in projection.

[Ray6Chan8]

Although i have not seen those two (40,41mm) side by side, I'm still leaning towards the 41mm DD2. No mistake on the design department as it appeals to a larger crowd with an alternative size but I'm not too sure about the impact on the secondary market.

Having said that, I'm very much looking forward to my first DD2. Whichever fits or looks better on my wrists. :)

[mmalek1]

Looks great to me

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

so much excitement for 1 mm!!!

As mentioned earlier, I think it has much more to do with the design and proportion vs the technical measurement. Case in point, the submariner 16610 vs 116610. Technically no size difference at all, so they must look the same? They are so different, IMO at least.

I think we'll all have to wait and see it in person, side by side the predecessors to really have a gauge.

Who knows, supporters may change their minds, and DD2/DJ2 loyalists may all the sudden realize they want the newer versions.

[lefty1999]

Let's just say:

1. Rolex doesn't make mistakes.

2. Only Rolex knows why Rolex makes any decision.

3. Any attempt to attach a rationale to a Rolex decision is an exercise in projection

1. oh Rolex makes mistakes all the time see how quickly they self corrected and brought the SD in 40mm size back .. notice they kept the deepsea because for its function its a technological master piece .. but as for the DD2 let me put it this way if you can bring 2008 back for them they will never release it in my opinion , they didn't go into all that trouble just to cancel it after a very short run in any watch time let alone a Rolex.

3. "exercise in projection" you bet I am projecting my opinion

[ronricks]

never have I seen so many people obsessed over 1mm. I think all the DD watches look good and would wear any of them.

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by lefty1999

1. oh Rolex makes mistakes all the time see how quickly they self corrected and brought the SD in 40mm size back .. notice they kept the deepsea because for its function its a technological master piece .. but as for the DD2 let me put it this way if you can bring 2008 back for them they will never release it in my opinion , they didn't go into all that trouble just to cancel it after a very short run in any watch time let alone a Rolex.

So you reason that because DD2 had a relatively short run that it's a mistake?
Paul Newman Daytonas also had a short run, were they a mistake too?

And unless you are an oracle, how do you know for sure that DD40 will be in production longer than DD2 ?

Other watch brands produce models that run for 2 or 3 years only... are they mistaken too?

Seriously, I'm intrigued by your reasoning..

[phatotto]

By far my favorite, and I have had YM2's, DD 36mm, 40mm sub's, explor's YM's, and Daytona's .. for the record I love the size and the bezel... Also 38 and not a rapper

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by lefty1999

1. oh Rolex makes mistakes all the time see how quickly they self corrected and brought the SD in 40mm size back .. notice they kept the deepsea because for its function its a technological master piece .. but as for the DD2 let me put it this way if you can bring 2008 back for them they will never release it in my opinion , they didn't go into all that trouble just to cancel it after a very short run in any watch time let alone a Rolex.

The previous SD was also 40mm. In fact it was actually ~39mm, but like the Daytona and the old Exp II the diameter was 'rounded up' to 40.
The old SD was discontinued along with the old Subs, and the current model rolled out after the current Subs. Not sure what the 'quickly ... self corrected' was.
The Deepsea is a different model.

[watchwatcher]

Mistake? I think not.

As far as the DJ line, it's all speculation until the next Basel. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[lefty1999]

So you reason that because DD2 had a relatively short run that it's a mistake?
Paul Newman Daytonas also had a short run, were they a mistake too?

And unless you are an oracle, how do you know for sure that DD40 will be in production longer than DD2 ?

Other watch brands produce models that run for 2 or 3 years only... are they mistaken too?

Seriously, I'm intrigued by your reasoning..

Paul Newman Daytonas? you mean the dials that people later called Paul Newman and became collectable right .. other than that the Daytona evolved naturally through the years and gained in size also around 1989 or so.

lets call the DD2 a failed experiment how about that

[lefty1999]

The old SD was discontinued along with the old Subs, and the current model rolled out after the current Subs. Not sure what the 'quickly ... self corrected' was.
The Deepsea is a different model

they could've replaced the SD with a ceramic one immediately if they wanted right but it was "replaced " by the Deepsea which wasn't a big hit and after going out of production for years they surprised all of us I would say by bringing it back .. but in Rolex world that 4 years or so is very fast action

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by lefty1999

lets call the DD2 a failed experiment how about that

It was and is still selling well, and many Rolex enthusiasts consider it to be their grail watches. Many happy and proud owners too. So how did it fail?

[AK797]

I think the DD40 is a missed opportunity, it should have been 39mm, that way they could have kept all 3 versions and catered to all size wrists.

[borgan]

my apologies..

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by AK797

I think the DD40 is a missed opportunity, it should have been 39mm, that way they could have kept all 3 versions and catered to all size wrists.

Actually the specs don't really matter. It's how it looks on the wrist that matters. So even though they are advertised as 40mm, I suspect DD40 will look much smaller than 1mm compared to DD40. Just like the daytona, it's officially 40mm, same as sub, but it wears smaller than a sub.

[patek.wis]

Originally Posted by ronricks

never have I seen so many people obsessed over 1mm. I think all the DD watches look good and would wear any of them.

ive seen people obsessed over 0mm

116610v16610

;)

[GolfPunk]

Originally Posted by kilyung

1) I own a "mistake" DD2
2) I'm not a rapper nor do I think it looks garish

That is a beautiful well proportioned watch in my opinion and it is perfect as it is.

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by borgan

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And your point is? I really don't get you posting an image of a bunch of black people staring at something (presumably YG DD?)

Are you trying to imply something here. Just say it dude.

For the record I'm not black.

[lefty1999]

It was and is still selling well, and many Rolex enthusiasts consider it to be their grail watches. Many happy and proud owners too. So how did it fail?

I don't think we here at TRF represent the majority and I guess we know it too, the 36 mm still outsells it by a huge margin and Rolex wanted to make a DD (their flagship dress watch) for the 21st century that obviously didn't work IMHO

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by lefty1999

they could've replaced the SD with a ceramic one immediately if they wanted right but it was "replaced " by the Deepsea which wasn't a big hit and after going out of production for years they surprised all of us I would say by bringing it back .. but in Rolex world that 4 years or so is very fast action

They wouldn't have done that before rolling out the current Subs - by which I mean starting (in the usual way) with gold, then TT, then SS (date and then no date). I always expected the SD to follow. As I said before, the Deepsea is a separate model. It was never going to be (or intended to be) a volume seller - but the 'Cameron' dial option has certainly done sales no harm...

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by lefty1999

I don't think we here at TRF represent the majority and I guess we know it too, the 36 mm still outsells it by a huge margin and Rolex wanted to make a DD (their flagship dress watch) for the 21st century that obviously didn't work IMHO

1. Where did you get the data on Rolex sales ? I would really love if you can give me the breakdown as I'm interested to see in comparison the actual sales figures of DD vs DD2 year by year.

2. If you think DD2 is such a failure, then the prices on secondary market would have reflected that. But no, the value of used DD2 is on par with other PM Rolex models. And if they're not selling well as you said, surely dealers will offer huge discount, much more than DD's discount. But no, the discount is more or less the same. How do you explain that?

[borgan]

no I just mean that when I wear my DDII people stare at me and its pretty unsettling... Its a really flash model.. that's all I was saying.. no offence to anyone..

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by borgan

no I just mean that when I wear my DDII people stare at me and its pretty unsettling... Its a really flash model.. that's all I was saying.. no offence to anyone..

[Eric Chan]

Originally Posted by engin33r

1. Where did you get the data on Rolex sales ? I would really love if you can give me the breakdown as I'm interested to see in comparison the actual sales figures of DD vs DD2 year by year.

2. If you think DD2 is such a failure, then the prices on secondary market would have reflected that. But no, the value of used DD2 is on par with other PM Rolex models. And if they're not selling well as you said, surely dealers will offer huge discount, much more than DD's discount. But no, the discount is more or less the same. How do you explain that?

I would tend to agree with item #2. I can't speak about AD's around the world, but according to my local AD's, the DD II is a great seller and in the past 2 years have outsold the DD on a regular basis. In terms of discounts, the same amount is offered for both the DD and DD II. My contact was as shocked as I that the DD II is being discontinued as it is one of their best PM sellers.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by patek.wis

ive seen people obsessed over 0mm

116610v16610

;)

[DubaiWatchGuy]

I really think the amazing improvements Rolex have actually made on the new DayDate are being over looked by the size reduction! I think the fact that theyve added ceramic into the bracelet to prevent stretch is a huge step ! I want a Day date II but I just wouldn't be happy if I couldn't keep it forever as they do lose so much value and along with stretch a bracelet replacement is so expensive.
Now the new ceramic inserts I wont have to worry about the long term life of my bracelet!

[sturgeon123456]

The reason rolex is doing this is because they are preparing to release a bunch of womens dial options on the 36mm DD in my opinion

They did not make a mistake with the DD2 they are simply following the evolution of watches becoming larger.

Contrary to what some avid PP lovers here think even Patek released a 42mm watch this year and some 41mm etc.

DD 36mm will eventually be marketed as a women model
DD 40 and 41 are targeted towards the same market, 40 plus....young guys dont care about a day date function..and typically prefer a sportier watch.

Watches are getting bigger, its not a fad its the evolution since they stared out at 20mm for mens watches