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Ruud Van Driver · 2 January 2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzz

I wouldn’t touch a 42mm Panerai period. I am sure other owners will chime in with the same sentiment.

Just wait for the LVc.

Generally speaking most 42 and 40mm PAM references are preferred by women and are not that favourable on the market.

Words of wisdom, yet again

If you want a PAM Submersible, it has to be 47mm. Take a look at the 389, which has just been replaced by the 1389. It's titanium so not at all heavy and has a ceramic bezel, which makes it look pretty classy. Also, you should be able to pick one up at a tidy discount now that it's discontinued.

If 47mm isn't your bag for whatever reason, I think you're better off hanging fire until the 682 starts hitting the pre-owned market for significantly less money than MSRP.

Good luck

aquatimerfla · 2 January 2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

Words of wisdom, yet again

If you want a PAM Submersible, it has to be 47mm. Take a look at the 389, which has just been replaced by the 1389. It's titanium so not at all heavy and has a ceramic bezel, which makes it look pretty classy. Also, you should be able to pick one up at a tidy discount now that it's discontinued.

If 47mm isn't your bag for whatever reason, I think you're better off hanging fire until the 682 starts hitting the pre-owned market for significantly less money than MSRP.

Good luck

Disagree. THE submersibles to own are the 44mm 024 SS or 025 Titanium

42mm is not Panerai

47mm is par for course with Panerai. 44mm divers LS 024/25 are iconic

aquatimerfla · 2 January 2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by superdog

I love PAM’s.

I do not like the submersible though. Just not for me.

And if you dare sell it, you will lose relatively big.

024/025 hold value pretty steady

Ruud Van Driver · 2 January 2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aquatimerfla

Disagree. THE submersibles to own are the 44mm 024 SS or 025 Titanium

42mm is not Panerai

47mm is par for course with Panerai. 44mm divers LS 024/25 are iconic

024 and 025 are long discontinued so you're assuming OP wants to buy pre-owned.

If you want to go further down that road, the Bronzo is THE submersible to own.

sawhornsoff · 2 January 2018, 02:27 PM

I love Panerai watches and own a PAM 243. However if buying new, I’d get the Rolex.

As others have said, wait for the PAM to pop up in the secondary market.

yannis · 2 January 2018, 04:01 PM

Sub 116610LV!

Cru Jones · 2 January 2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by travisb

Flip your Sub LN and get both of the 2 on your radar.

This is the right answer.

I have an LVc and would be very happy to add a 682, but I would start with the 116610LV.

There's a great side-by-side pic of the 682 and Sub in the Panerai sub-forum: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=577750.

As for the 682, I happen to really like it. I think Panerai nailed this smaller size (unlike some of their other recent smaller models), and the submersible design translates well in 42.

Rocco21 · 2 January 2018, 09:08 PM

Hulk all the way.just my opinion but never been attracted to Pam’s ever,I just don’t think they can compare with a Rolex at all looks wise.So yeah Hulk allday.

Robbyman · 2 January 2018, 09:49 PM

I've tried that PAM and I liked it but 42mm is just too big for me so I would go Rolex but only for that reason.

andyxxx · 2 January 2018, 10:02 PM

No comparison for me - that Panerai is a hell of an ugly watch.

aquatimerfla · 2 January 2018, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

024 and 025 are long discontinued so you're assuming OP wants to buy pre-owned.

If you want to go further down that road, the Bronzo is THE submersible to own.

025 titanium discontinued
024 still in production

Agreed. Bronzo is the sub to own. Than 2 listed above!

wuyeah · 2 January 2018, 10:24 PM

Every Rolex over every Panerai for me please.

Hank · 2 January 2018, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JR16

Hey guys and gals,

So I have the itch (again) for a new watch and am deciding between the 116610LV (hulk) and the new 42mm panerai luminor submersible (682) that came out this year. Does anyone own both a SubC (I have a SubC Date LN) and this new submersible? I’ve tried on both but curious how they compare after several months of ownership. For sake of argument , assume LV can be had at retail or slightly less (my assumption once Rolex starts shipping SS watches in 2018), which puts it in the same neighborhood of price of the Submersible.

Thanks for any insights/advice/reviews! (And yes I realize there will be bias on TRF but looking for some honest advice!)

For reference here is the submersible on my wrist (forgot to snap a pick of the LV but I’m sure everyone has seen 100s of LV picks already on TRF)

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Here is a side by side photo. Hope it helps. Both watches have their own merits. Really depends on what you are looking for. Go for what you like.

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JR16 · 3 January 2018, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Here is a side by side photo. Hope it helps. Both watches have their own merits. Really depends on what you are looking for. Go for what you like.

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Thanks!!
I actually picked up the submersible- got a good deal, and wanted something different from my SubC. Still may get the hulk later when/if they become avail again at ADs and after I see what Baselworld releases Rolex has.

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Starwalker · 3 January 2018, 01:51 AM

Congratulations! I did something similar, actually flipped my 116610 for the 389....and never looked backed. Already have a 116713 and 116613.....and just got bored of having a similar case......i love the submersibles.....built like a tank...added bonus is that i get plenty more compliments.

brent95m3 · 3 January 2018, 07:52 AM

Congrats! Lovely watch and a great pair. Forgot the haters on here...might as well buy what you like and enjoy.

ShoreGuy · 3 January 2018, 08:12 AM

I fail to see the attraction of the Panerai. It just looks weird.

JR16 · 3 January 2018, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Starwalker

Congratulations! I did something similar, actually flipped my 116610 for the 389....and never looked backed. Already have a 116713 and 116613.....and just got bored of having a similar case......i love the submersibles.....built like a tank...added bonus is that i get plenty more compliments.

Thanks, definitely more noticeable, and agree it adds variety!

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Originally Posted by brent95m3

Congrats! Lovely watch and a great pair. Forgot the haters on here...might as well buy what you like and enjoy.

Thanks, I agree !

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Cru Jones · 3 January 2018, 08:32 AM

^ Big congrats!! Looks great. :-)

Now, on to strap shopping....

Hank · 3 January 2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cru Jones

^ Big congrats!! Looks great. :-)

Now, on to strap shopping....

Exactly. A new strap changes the look of the watch completely. Have fun!

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Giangos · 3 January 2018, 10:44 PM

Just my opinion of course so please don't shout me down, those Panerai watches are just feral ugly. Any Rolex over any Panerai every time.

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machob55 · 4 January 2018, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Giangos

Just my opinion of course so please don't shout me down, those Panerai watches are just feral ugly. Any Rolex over any Panerai every time.

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The first PAM that I ever saw was one purchased by my brother-in-law. Having both been Rolex and Tudor owners, I thought the same thing. But as I got to appreciate the brand more, they have grown on me quite a bit and I find them to be pretty damn attractive and very well made watches with a superb history behind them. I say, "Give it a chance" maybe they will grow on you too!

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Giangos · 4 January 2018, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by machob55

The first PAM that I ever saw was one purchased by my brother-in-law. Having both been Rolex and Tudor owners, I thought the same thing. But as I got to appreciate the brand more, they have grown on me quite a bit and I find them to be pretty damn attractive and very well made watches with a superb history behind them. I say, "Give it a chance" maybe they will grow on you too!

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I accept this might happen in time.

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Matril01 · 6 September 2018, 09:40 AM

I saw your post about the Panerai 682 that you bought 20% retail BNIB. Can I ask where you bought it? I would be interested in the watch at that price. Thx!

rolexfanforlife · 6 September 2018, 09:41 AM

Hulk for sure

Brian Page · 6 September 2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JR16

Hey guys and gals,

So I have the itch (again) for a new watch and am deciding between the 116610LV (hulk) and the new 42mm panerai luminor submersible (682) that came out this year. Does anyone own both a SubC (I have a SubC Date LN) and this new submersible? I’ve tried on both but curious how they compare after several months of ownership. For sake of argument , assume LV can be had at retail or slightly less (my assumption once Rolex starts shipping SS watches in 2018), which puts it in the same neighborhood of price of the Submersible.

Thanks for any insights/advice/reviews! (And yes I realize there will be bias on TRF but looking for some honest advice!)

For reference here is the submersible on my wrist (forgot to snap a pick of the LV but I’m sure everyone has seen 100s of LV picks already on TRF)

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Hello, for what's it's worth I had a PAM 682 for a brief period and sold it. I really thought I was going to like the fact that it was a 42 mm dive model. This is coming from someone that has had numerous Panerai ( 305, 243, 317, 275) So I've had several 44mm and a couple 47mm models. The 682 didn't do it for me in the end and I was surprised by that. As far as the sub thing goes I've had a couple ceramic C models, not an LV but I've experienced the case. Don't know if you have been a Panerai guy and what your wrist size is, mine is 7.5" so I was surprised how small I felt the 682 wore and in the end that's why I sold mine. I guess for me it lost something compared to the 243 that I had and really enjoyed. Anyway - if you love a Panerai look and could never pull off a 44mm or 47mm maybe this is the answer. I personally feel this is a reaction by Panerai to a trend towards slightly smaller cases. Good luck!

marc2828 · 6 September 2018, 10:15 AM

Nice watch, but Panerai seems to have lost luster with me...I still own two Luminors...but that is it. Hulk or SD43.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pa...-42mm-hands-on

Hank · 6 September 2018, 07:26 PM

Was fortunate to own both at one point. Very different watches but I would have to say the LVc is the better choice.

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danwang0520 · 6 September 2018, 07:37 PM

the hulk, for sure.......

rambo99 · 6 September 2018, 07:45 PM

I tried the pam 682 on my wrist, it actually looks even smaller than a 42mm luminor 1950 case because of the smaller dial.
I would suggest go for the hulk, or wait for a new 44mm submersible model. the 42mm submersible just lacking the panerai DNA.

2 January 2018, 04:01 PM	#36
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3 January 2018, 01:51 AM	#45
Starwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: aroundtheworld Watch: SS Daytona - BLACK Posts: 2,237	Congratulations! I did something similar, actually flipped my 116610 for the 389....and never looked backed. Already have a 116713 and 116613.....and just got bored of having a similar case......i love the submersibles.....built like a tank...added bonus is that i get plenty more compliments. __________________ 116520 Black - 116500 White - 116713LN - 116613LB - Panerai 389 - Chopard Mille Miglia GMT Chronograph - Chopard LUC Sport 2000 - Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds

2 January 2018, 02:27 PM	#35
sawhornsoff 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 507	I love Panerai watches and own a PAM 243. However if buying new, I’d get the Rolex. As others have said, wait for the PAM to pop up in the secondary market.

2 January 2018, 09:08 PM	#38
Rocco21 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Rob Location: Cape Cod Watch: 126660,126600 Posts: 1,324	Hulk all the way.just my opinion but never been attracted to Pam’s ever,I just don’t think they can compare with a Rolex at all looks wise.So yeah Hulk allday.

2 January 2018, 09:49 PM	#39
Robbyman "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Blighty (England) Watch: Daytona/Pepsi/Sub Posts: 1,517	I've tried that PAM and I liked it but 42mm is just too big for me so I would go Rolex but only for that reason.

2 January 2018, 10:02 PM	#40
andyxxx "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Real Name: Andy Location: England Watch: with confusion Posts: 626	No comparison for me - that Panerai is a hell of an ugly watch.

2 January 2018, 10:24 PM	#42
wuyeah "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 952	Every Rolex over every Panerai for me please.

3 January 2018, 07:52 AM	#46
brent95m3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Brent Location: Austin, TX Posts: 138	Congrats! Lovely watch and a great pair. Forgot the haters on here...might as well buy what you like and enjoy.

3 January 2018, 08:12 AM	#47
ShoreGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: New Jersey Posts: 74	I fail to see the attraction of the Panerai. It just looks weird.

3 January 2018, 08:32 AM	#49
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,475	^ Big congrats!! Looks great. :-) Now, on to strap shopping....

3 January 2018, 10:44 PM	#51
Giangos "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: WG BLRO, Sub C, WG Posts: 1,565	Just my opinion of course so please don't shout me down, those Panerai watches are just feral ugly. Any Rolex over any Panerai every time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

6 September 2018, 09:40 AM	#54
Matril01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 6	I saw your post about the Panerai 682 that you bought 20% retail BNIB. Can I ask where you bought it? I would be interested in the watch at that price. Thx!

6 September 2018, 09:41 AM	#55
rolexfanforlife "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: USA Watch: Sub Posts: 963	Hulk for sure

6 September 2018, 10:15 AM	#57
marc2828 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Marc Location: NJ Watch: AP,LV,SD43,PAMs Posts: 715	Nice watch, but Panerai seems to have lost luster with me...I still own two Luminors...but that is it. Hulk or SD43. https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/pa...-42mm-hands-on

6 September 2018, 07:26 PM	#58
Hank "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Shanghai Posts: 1,623	Was fortunate to own both at one point. Very different watches but I would have to say the LVc is the better choice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

6 September 2018, 07:37 PM	#59
danwang0520 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Daniel Location: Taipei, Taiwan Watch: my signature Posts: 2,669	the hulk, for sure.......

6 September 2018, 07:45 PM	#60
rambo99 Banned Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tokyo Watch: SD43,PAM1616,Hulk Posts: 3,567	I tried the pam 682 on my wrist, it actually looks even smaller than a 42mm luminor 1950 case because of the smaller dial. I would suggest go for the hulk, or wait for a new 44mm submersible model. the 42mm submersible just lacking the panerai DNA.

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