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joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 10:10 AM

Good night friends.
I would like to know how to check the authenticity of my Rolex GMT Master II just by the casing or serial number. I suspect that the watch I bought is false but the seller is claiming that I changed the clock machine while keeping the casing casing. I'm in big trouble!

Tools · 19 June 2018, 10:12 AM

I don't think that you are in big trouble. If you were sold a counterfeit product then the seller is in big trouble. Notify the authorities.

fdm79 · 19 June 2018, 10:14 AM

I see you are from the country...

Well, in your case you should call Rolex Brasil in São Paulo. They won't give you info by just telling them the S/N. They are going to ask you to take the watch there to verify it, along with the S/N.

There, they can say if it's a Fake or Stolen... Either cases, they will keep the watch there and won't give it back to you !

joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdm79

I see you are from the country...

Well, in your case you should call Rolex Brasil in São Paulo. They won't give you info by just telling them the S/N. They are going to ask you to take the watch there to verify it, along with the S/N.

There, they can say if it's a Fake or Stolen... Either cases, they will keep the watch there and won't give it back to you !

Let me speak better. I bought a watch and left it on a specialist for evaluate the authenticity of the watch. The specialist said the watch was fake. However, when I returned it to the seller, he told me that the clock machine had been replaced by a fake machine, keeping only the same carcass. Now I suspect that the seller may have sold me a fake watch, or the specialist has changed the interior. Now if I take the watch on Rolex, of course they will claim it is false, since I checked it and the machine is really fake. I need to know who deceived me to take the necessary measures, including with the police. I can not charge without proof. It's no problem they to confiscate the fake watch as long as they submit me a full report to I can challenge the seller/specialist and and open a lawsuit.

schoolboy · 19 June 2018, 11:46 AM

This one is tough OP.

I understand the dilemma.

The problem is that the OP doesn’t know if he was sold a fake watch, or if it was real and the watchmaker swapped the movement, and now it is fake.

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joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schoolboy

This one is tough OP.

I understand the dilemma.

The problem is that the OP doesn’t know if he was sold a fake watch, or if it was real and the watchmaker swapped the movement, and now it is fake.

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exactly!

wesdaniel · 19 June 2018, 12:39 PM

This is a valuable lesson. Unless you 100% trust the watchmaker, you stay there while he takes the case back off so you can see the movement. Then you make him show you the movement when you pick it up.

joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 01:08 PM

all the GMT Master II have the model written in green?? Below are pictures of my watch, if you can take a look, I thank you.

Andad · 19 June 2018, 01:14 PM

Yes, I clearly see your problems.

The seller said the case was good but the movement was fake?

Andad · 19 June 2018, 01:15 PM

Any pix of the movement?

henrylee · 19 June 2018, 01:15 PM

Sorry looks fake

joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henrylee

Sorry looks fake

Can you talk me why?

joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

Any pix of the movement?

The movimente is only thing that I know is fake.

joaosilveira · 19 June 2018, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

Yes, I clearly see your problems.

The seller said the case was good but the movement was fake?

The problem is that I don’t know if I boutght a fake watch, or if it was real and the watchmaker swapped the movement, and now it is fake.

CorradoBrit · 19 June 2018, 02:11 PM

Looks like a bad fake and not just the 'movement'. Take the watch to another AD or Rolex watchmaker. Get a 2nd opinion. I see so many issues with that dial and those hands.

10klakes · 19 June 2018, 02:16 PM

Looks fake. Hands are too short, inconsistent thickness of font on bezel, doesn’t have green text for “GMT Master II”... green sticker on the caseback could be there aftermarket but is not era correct for 6 digit references.

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J_1964 · 19 June 2018, 02:24 PM

Hot Mess..........

Tools · 19 June 2018, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joaosilveira

The movimente is only thing that I know is fake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joaosilveira

The problem is that I don’t know if I boutght a fake watch, or if it was real and the watchmaker swapped the movement, and now it is fake.

No, everything about that watch is fake, including the bracelet and case. Go to the authorities and let them sort out who is being honest or not.

lyktestolpe · 19 June 2018, 06:30 PM

Sorry to say, but nothing about that watch is real. Looks like you have been scammed. I’m in no doubt.

SkyKing31 · 19 June 2018, 06:49 PM

Like others have said, everything about that watch is fake .. There was nothing real about it .. There were no real parts swapped with fake parts .. You really need to go to athorities and file a complaint because you you taken

Bocktagon · 19 June 2018, 08:35 PM

Terrible trash. Not even remotely close to authentic.

KLEJNOT_NILU · 19 June 2018, 09:50 PM

Looks like a very bad fake. How much you paid for it and expected it to be genuine? $100? lmao

Pavlos · 19 June 2018, 10:42 PM

Disaster.

beshannon · 19 June 2018, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by joaosilveira

I suspect that the watch I bought is false but the seller is claiming that I changed the clock machine while keeping the casing casing. I'm in big trouble!

Who did you buy this from?

Lime · 20 June 2018, 12:46 AM

not looking good sorry. How much did you pay?

CorradoBrit · 20 June 2018, 01:08 AM

Hope OP paid with CC or PayPal, otherwise its an expensive(?) lesson. Also choose a different watchmaker next time for your appraisals. Crazy

spoilsofwar01 · 20 June 2018, 01:36 AM

The state of the lugs would have been enough to put me off.

joaosilveira · 20 June 2018, 03:41 AM

Friends, one more question:

Does the bezel turn on two sides? Or just counterclockwise?

beshannon · 20 June 2018, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joaosilveira

Friends, one more question:

Does the bezel turn on two sides? Or just counterclockwise?

Who did you buy this from?

joaosilveira · 20 June 2018, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beshannon

Who did you buy this from?

I bought from ''friend''. It is a used watche. I payed ~ $8000 US. I already contacted the police, and, it will resolve nothing, because no ones assumes the blame and, I am in Brazil!!!! Fucked country! The police said me to try resolves by myself...

19 June 2018, 10:10 AM	#1
joaosilveira "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Brazil Posts: 12	False Rolex Good night friends. I would like to know how to check the authenticity of my Rolex GMT Master II just by the casing or serial number. I suspect that the watch I bought is false but the seller is claiming that I changed the clock machine while keeping the casing casing. I'm in big trouble!

19 June 2018, 10:12 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,033	I don't think that you are in big trouble. If you were sold a counterfeit product then the seller is in big trouble. Notify the authorities. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

19 June 2018, 10:14 AM	#3
fdm79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Norway Posts: 931	I see you are from the country... Well, in your case you should call Rolex Brasil in São Paulo. They won't give you info by just telling them the S/N. They are going to ask you to take the watch there to verify it, along with the S/N. There, they can say if it's a Fake or Stolen... Either cases, they will keep the watch there and won't give it back to you ! __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 126710 BLRO - Rolex Submariner 116610 LV - Breitling Navitimer 01 Pan-American Bronze Limited Edition AB0121C4/Q605-447A - Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Professional 3861 (Sapphire) 310.30.42.50.01.002 - Omega Seamaster Diver 300M 41mm Ceramic (Blue) 212.30.41.20.03.001

19 June 2018, 11:46 AM	#5
schoolboy Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Real Name: Jesus Location: Texas Watch: 116234 Posts: 8,721	False Rolex This one is tough OP. I understand the dilemma. The problem is that the OP doesn’t know if he was sold a fake watch, or if it was real and the watchmaker swapped the movement, and now it is fake. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 June 2018, 01:14 PM	#9
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,786	Yes, I clearly see your problems. The seller said the case was good but the movement was fake? __________________ E

19 June 2018, 12:39 PM	#7
wesdaniel 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Wes Location: California Watch: Varies Posts: 1,320	This is a valuable lesson. Unless you 100% trust the watchmaker, you stay there while he takes the case back off so you can see the movement. Then you make him show you the movement when you pick it up.

19 June 2018, 01:15 PM	#10
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,786	Any pix of the movement? __________________ E

19 June 2018, 01:15 PM	#11
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,214	Sorry looks fake __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

19 June 2018, 02:11 PM	#15
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Looks like a bad fake and not just the 'movement'. Take the watch to another AD or Rolex watchmaker. Get a 2nd opinion. I see so many issues with that dial and those hands.

19 June 2018, 02:16 PM	#16
10klakes "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: USA Watch: Collector Posts: 1,482	Looks fake. Hands are too short, inconsistent thickness of font on bezel, doesn’t have green text for “GMT Master II”... green sticker on the caseback could be there aftermarket but is not era correct for 6 digit references. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 June 2018, 02:24 PM	#17
J_1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Jim Location: NoCal USA Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,955	Hot Mess..........

19 June 2018, 06:30 PM	#19
lyktestolpe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Norway Watch: 116610 LN Posts: 200	Sorry to say, but nothing about that watch is real. Looks like you have been scammed. I’m in no doubt.

19 June 2018, 06:49 PM	#20
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	Like others have said, everything about that watch is fake .. There was nothing real about it .. There were no real parts swapped with fake parts .. You really need to go to athorities and file a complaint because you you taken

19 June 2018, 08:35 PM	#21
Bocktagon "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Seamaster GMT Posts: 264	Terrible trash. Not even remotely close to authentic.

19 June 2018, 09:50 PM	#22
KLEJNOT_NILU "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Poland Watch: 116613LB Posts: 84	Looks like a very bad fake. How much you paid for it and expected it to be genuine? $100? lmao

19 June 2018, 10:42 PM	#23
Pavlos "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: London Posts: 760	Disaster.

20 June 2018, 12:46 AM	#25
Lime "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex, JLC, etc Posts: 354	not looking good sorry. How much did you pay?

20 June 2018, 01:08 AM	#26
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Hope OP paid with CC or PayPal, otherwise its an expensive(?) lesson. Also choose a different watchmaker next time for your appraisals. Crazy

20 June 2018, 01:36 AM	#27
spoilsofwar01 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: "H" Location: England Watch: ing Rainclouds Posts: 1,437	The state of the lugs would have been enough to put me off. __________________ "H" 5513 Submariner 1968 114270 Explorer 2005 Smiths W10 1968 Tissot Seastar 2011

20 June 2018, 03:41 AM	#28
joaosilveira "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Brazil Posts: 12	Friends, one more question: Does the bezel turn on two sides? Or just counterclockwise?

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