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rootbeer7 · 11 July 2017, 04:16 AM

A friend was thinking of trading his Daytona as he thought they might be worth a few quid and asked me to have a look at it! The best bit is he thinks his brother has an identical one with a 'funny' dial. I'm waiting to get serial info to see if it is in the right group of case numbers. It definitely has a creamy brown hew.

TimeToWatch · 11 July 2017, 04:54 AM

Nice! He's going to be pleasantly surprised once he finds out what he's got on his hands

JnmEaton · 11 July 2017, 04:59 AM

very cool!

dmash · 11 July 2017, 05:09 AM

What are the Patrizzi worth in current time? $15k, $20k?

TimeToWatch · 11 July 2017, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dmash

What are the Patrizzi worth in current time? $15k, $20k?

A normal, Mark IV Daytona is worth $15-20k depending on how complete the set is. I'd put a Patrizzi at $20k+

904VT · 11 July 2017, 05:11 AM

Awesome Daytona!

robbrum · 11 July 2017, 05:19 AM

What I'm missing on the dial?? Patrizzi?? For me it looks as a normal dial.

Please explain....

Jakey · 11 July 2017, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by robbrum

What I'm missing on the dial?? Patrizzi?? For me it looks as a normal dial.

Please explain....

A Patrizzi dial is a Rolex Daytona Reference 16520 with a dial that features counters that turned brown. Thus far, the imperfection only appears in some Rolex Daytona Reference 16520 watches because the Swiss watch brand used zapon, an organic varnish, for the dial of this particular watch. Some models, it appears, were not sufficiently protected and the silver content of the varnish turned brown. Because these changes of color are progressive and do not stabilize over time, each one of these imperfect dials has since become a unique specimen.

An internet source explained it better than I would have worded it

JP Chestnut · 11 July 2017, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by robbrum

What I'm missing on the dial?? Patrizzi?? For me it looks as a normal dial.

Please explain....

Brown sub dials. They have aged to look like that.

yessir69 · 11 July 2017, 06:21 AM

http://www.hautetime.com/explaining-...zi-dial/63928/

123Blueface · 11 July 2017, 06:33 AM

Sweet!

robbrum · 11 July 2017, 08:07 AM

Thx for the explenation.

jodaor · 11 July 2017, 08:07 AM

The Patrizzi's have been fetching a premium for sometime, and recently it appears there is quite the demand in Hong Kong for them.

In May of this year, a few sold at almost 30k USD, and as they become more difficult to obtain, that in itself will continue to drive prices up even further. Look at what the world economy has done to the exotic car and real estate markets. 7 years ago you could buy a low body Countach for 200-250k, and now they're 500-600k. Yes you can buy a new Aventador for 450k, but so can everyone else. As most people that have the disposable income to play in these price ranges will tell you......most of the time it is not about the item they are buying, but the hunt, the find, and the purchase. After they have the item, then it will usually sit as they find a new target to hunt. It is all about how to be different, and have what others cannot.

https://www.phillips.com/detail/ROLEX/HK080117/1114

CHEERS!
JODAOR

Yzord · 11 July 2017, 08:12 AM

Nice Daytona!! Love the colors

TheRolexKingofLV · 11 July 2017, 08:50 AM

The question that I have is why did the dial get named after Osvaldo Patrizzi? I googled and found out who he is in the watch world, but nothing tells why his name is attached to the Daytonas with discolored sub dials?

JP Chestnut · 11 July 2017, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

The question that I have is why did the dial get named after Osvoldo Patrizzi? I googled and found out who he is, but nothing tells why his name is attached to the Daytonas with discolored sub dials?

The origin of the name iirc comes from the liquidation of a collection by an owner with that name - this was the first time the brown sub dials showed up with any fanfare.

TheRolexKingofLV · 11 July 2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

The origin of the name iirc comes from the liquidation of a collection by an owner with that name - this was the first time the brown sub dials showed up with any fanfare.

Thanks for that info!

DramaTurtle · 11 July 2017, 09:06 AM

Stupid gorgeous!

mps354 · 11 July 2017, 09:14 AM

Very nice!

arinsd · 11 July 2017, 09:17 AM

Tell him that the dial is ruined and offer 5k.

TheRolexKingofLV · 11 July 2017, 09:17 AM

I also remember hearing that only certain serial numbers were capable of being "true" Patrizzi dials due to Rolex correcting the manufacturing error. What were those serial numbers?

Speed · 11 July 2017, 09:49 AM

And....unscrupulous sellers would create the brown look by blowing cigar smoke on the dials of Daytonas to sell them to unsuspecting punters.

AJM914 · 11 July 2017, 10:13 AM

Cool looks nice!

sea-dweller · 11 July 2017, 10:56 AM

That's beautiful!

rootbeer7 · 11 July 2017, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

I also remember hearing that only certain serial numbers were capable of being "true" Patrizzi dials due to Rolex correcting the manufacturing error. What were those serial numbers?

This is correct. My friend has the full set so I'm waiting to find out if the serial number fits the right timeframe.

incontrol · 12 July 2017, 11:02 AM

I think it looks great with the bronze colored sundials. They should make this version on purpose.

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yessir69 · 12 July 2017, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

The question that I have is why did the dial get named after Osvaldo Patrizzi? I googled and found out who he is in the watch world, but nothing tells why his name is attached to the Daytonas with discolored sub dials?

The Patrizzi & Co. auction house sold several of the discolored subdial Daytonas. That is how they became known as Patrizzi dials.

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rootbeer7 · 12 July 2017, 04:33 PM

It turns out that my friend doesn't have paperwork and will need to remove bracelet to find out for sure. The timeframe fits in with it being about right. The first detail I remember is that it cannot have an inverted 6 to be a Patrizzi. It was named after the collector who liquidated part of his huge collection including some oddly brown sub-dialled Daytonas.

jodaor · 13 July 2017, 08:05 AM

They can in fact have an inverted 6 and be Patrizzi as long as they fit into the production dates/serials. Mine is a "S" serial from 1994 and has the inverted 6.

JODAOR

Hairdude1 · 13 July 2017, 03:18 PM

Very cool

11 July 2017, 06:33 AM	#11
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TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	I also remember hearing that only certain serial numbers were capable of being "true" Patrizzi dials due to Rolex correcting the manufacturing error. What were those serial numbers? __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

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11 July 2017, 05:09 AM	#4
dmash "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA <> BKK Posts: 5,912	What are the Patrizzi worth in current time? $15k, $20k?

11 July 2017, 05:11 AM	#6
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11 July 2017, 05:19 AM	#7
robbrum "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Rotterdam Watch: Datejust 16234 Posts: 303	What I'm missing on the dial?? Patrizzi?? For me it looks as a normal dial. Please explain....

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11 July 2017, 08:07 AM	#12
robbrum "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Rotterdam Watch: Datejust 16234 Posts: 303	Thx for the explenation.

11 July 2017, 08:07 AM	#13
jodaor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: LA Posts: 18	The Patrizzi's have been fetching a premium for sometime, and recently it appears there is quite the demand in Hong Kong for them. In May of this year, a few sold at almost 30k USD, and as they become more difficult to obtain, that in itself will continue to drive prices up even further. Look at what the world economy has done to the exotic car and real estate markets. 7 years ago you could buy a low body Countach for 200-250k, and now they're 500-600k. Yes you can buy a new Aventador for 450k, but so can everyone else. As most people that have the disposable income to play in these price ranges will tell you......most of the time it is not about the item they are buying, but the hunt, the find, and the purchase. After they have the item, then it will usually sit as they find a new target to hunt. It is all about how to be different, and have what others cannot. https://www.phillips.com/detail/ROLEX/HK080117/1114 CHEERS! JODAOR

11 July 2017, 09:14 AM	#19
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 8,972	Very nice!

11 July 2017, 09:17 AM	#20
arinsd "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: So. Cal Watch: 116610LN Posts: 828	Tell him that the dial is ruined and offer 5k.

11 July 2017, 09:49 AM	#22
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	And....unscrupulous sellers would create the brown look by blowing cigar smoke on the dials of Daytonas to sell them to unsuspecting punters.

12 July 2017, 11:02 AM	#26
incontrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Somewhere in PA Watch: All of them... Posts: 10,355	I think it looks great with the bronze colored sundials. They should make this version on purpose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe Rolex

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rootbeer7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: london Posts: 5,963	It turns out that my friend doesn't have paperwork and will need to remove bracelet to find out for sure. The timeframe fits in with it being about right. The first detail I remember is that it cannot have an inverted 6 to be a Patrizzi. It was named after the collector who liquidated part of his huge collection including some oddly brown sub-dialled Daytonas. __________________ @imrootbeer7

13 July 2017, 08:05 AM	#29
jodaor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: LA Posts: 18	They can in fact have an inverted 6 and be Patrizzi as long as they fit into the production dates/serials. Mine is a "S" serial from 1994 and has the inverted 6. JODAOR

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