Submariner 1665 double red

[Nicko]

Sweet deal! Looks genuine to me. Can you post some pics between the lugs?

[GENES240]

This is very overwhelming!! I'm too nervous to even mail it. If I sent it to Bill, I would need to insure it' how much???
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[HL65]

Originally Posted by GENES240

This is very overwhelming!! I'm too nervous to even mail it. If I sent it to Bill, I would need to insure it' how much???
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Bob Ridley would help you with all that. Give him a call.....

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by GENES240

This is very overwhelming!! I'm too nervous to even mail it. If I sent it to Bill, I would need to insure it' how much???
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Please post some pics of the watch between the lugs if you can.

[GENES240]

I tried to get the back off, but could'nt do it.
Sorry!
Jeanne

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by GENES240

I tried to get the back off, but could'nt do it.
Sorry!
Jeanne

Not the back of the watch but between the lugs on the watch head.

[HL65]

Don't try ---leave it and let watchmaker do that. You need proper tools......

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Don't try ---leave it and let watchmaker do that. You need proper tools......

Popping the band off is as easy as pie. A toothpick and a steady hand will do the trick.

[1675-David]

Hi Jeann, you're in New York, I'm just round the corner in Stockholm so pop the watch into a jiffy bag an send it over. I'll get that sticky case back of for you in no time

[GENES240]

I just tried to take te band off, but asyafraid I'll break the pin. It diesn't press in that easy.
Jeanne

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Popping the band off is as easy as pie. A toothpick and a steady hand will do the trick.

I understand that and take mine off all the time Nicko(with tool not toothpick)--but not the caseback!!

[Yazo]

Originally Posted by GENES240

I just tried to take te band off, but asyafraid I'll break the pin. It diesn't press in that easy.
Jeanne

Chill - don't do anything. As many people in this thread have said... take it to someone who can verify/validate it for you.... Andrew Shear is who you wanna take it to.

I would stop trying to fuss with that watch ASAP!

[Astute]

Nice...a kettle of this 'calibre' for the astronomical gavel assisted sum of...$350.

Now where's that job application form

[GENES240]

Ok, here are some poor pictures of the watch without the band.
It has the serial number on one side and 1665 written on the other side.
Jeanne

[TurboWatch]

If this is legit, you have the find of the century.

With that said, I would advice you to be really careful with this. DO NOT just send the watch without proper insurance. Also, if you must, take the watch to a knowledgeable Rolex collector, and not just a "jeweler" or a "reseller of vintage watches" you'd be taken for sure. Never leave the watch out of sight !

If you're any where near Ken R ( SteelerFan1965 ), I suggest you contact him first before doing anything. Ken is a honorable guy and he will steer you to the right direction.

[GENES240]

Is SteelerFan1965's name Ken or Connor?

[renfield33]

don't let it out of your sight (literally). don't leave it at home alone. once people around you get wind of what's going on, someone is going to break into your place and take it.

[GENES240]

I am not experieced with watches. What is a conservative amount that this watch is worth? One person said that it sold for over $200K, but thats ridiculous.
Jeanne

[Nicko]

Well GENES240 it sure looks good from what you posted. You have received some good advice from the folks here, don't let it out of your sight.

[BB83]

Originally Posted by ROGERB

The guy on Ebay with the old Sub and now this!!
"Anitquorum" shows in their past auction sales...
" Prototype No valve Double Red Rolex, Oyster Perpetual Date, "Sea Dweller Submariner" without helium escape valve,2000ft./610m, Superaltive Chronometer, Officially Certified, ref 1665. Made in 1967"--- going on to state " this prototype version was the forerunner to the Sea Dweller 2000's. These prototype Sea-Dwellers were produced in a small batch in 1967. They ere produced without a helium escape valve and in a thinner case and without engravings on the back. They were presented to the world's leading deep sea divers for testing and reporting on the watches dependability on deep sea dives. It is belived that only 30 Rolex Sea Dweller cases were produced without the gas escape valve. Most of these prototypes did not survive decompressions and the gas escape valve which were already fitted to early Submariners ref. 5513 and 5514 were required for the Sea Dweller. The present watch is one of the first to be produced by Rolex Geneve and is extremely rare.
This watch is illustrated "1908-2008, one hundred years of Rolex", By Franca and Guido Mondani, 2008 edition page 129."
http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalo...&s_batch=2(lot 209)
I think I'd get your watch checked out R (copied without permission)

Interesting... only 30 w/o gas escape valves, and most did not survive? If this is a survivor it's incredible indeed -- Bob Ridley can tell you.

It could be another model & yours a replacement dial. Still a very valuable dial, I'd imagine!!

I'd also talk to Bob about switching back to a plastic crystal. Have heard that the sapphires don't fit the vintages well enough and may compromise waterproofness. You don't want to damage that dial!

Good luck. Please do keep us posted. As you can see, your thread has generated a lot of interest & good discussion!

[ROGERB]

Jeanne, I did not mean to scare you by posting the info I did, From time to time I use previous auction info when I am looking for a watch and remembered something about caseback Sea Dwellers without lettering so when I saw your post and the fact that your watch had no HEV or lettering I started looking. You have received very good advice from members here far more knowledgeable than I would ever hope to be and hope it is the "real deal". Values can be very subjective and 2008 was a very good year!
GOOD LUCK
R
(and here I was excited when I found a meters first 5513 cheap!!)

[Nicko]

Man, I sure hope it's genuine, if so then it must be the deal of the century. as Roger said above, I was also happy when I got a $500 discount on my 1680 from the seller.

[GoldToothCop]

Think you may have struck gold here. Take it from the people on here telling you to take it to an expert ....do not post it anywhere. I dont have personal experience with any of the people on here posting their advice but i would not take any risks by sending it anywhere unless you are with it.
good luck and i hope it is what it is!!

[TurboWatch]

Originally Posted by GENES240

Is SteelerFan1965's name Ken or Connor?

Ken is his real name and Connor MacLeod is his alter ego ...

[marcello pisani]

just umbelievable !!
is april 1st already ???
if true please accept my sincere congratulations !

[HL65]

Originally Posted by TurboWatch

Ken is his real name and Connor MacLeod is his alter ego ...

Hi Tom!!! Thanks so much my friend--you are the best!!!
"There can only be one!"

[Bonesey]

Almost too good to be true. Expect a lot of speculation, disbelief and interest!

[drtooth73]

There is a Rolex service center in New York, Jeanne.
take it there.

[HL65]

Jeanne--I would be really careful taking it to an RSC--especially if you plan on servicing it. I would personally never service a vintage watch at an RSC. If you are going to service it--send it to Bob Ridley!!!

[Speed]

Are you multi-tasking Ken???

Or are you pausing the game / posting?