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Sub2012 · 2 October 2013, 02:04 PM

Prototype perpetual calendar Rolex very unique made by Franck Muller. What y'all think about it?.....

opaline460 · 2 October 2013, 02:09 PM

Cool

Laszlo · 2 October 2013, 02:29 PM

I like.

CWIN · 2 October 2013, 02:33 PM

Nice.

gofore59 · 2 October 2013, 02:38 PM

That was either his "thesis" project when graduating watchmaking school or the watch he made for Rolex after graduating before starting his own company. Love Franck (I have a 8880 10th Anniversary Casablanca)...

advocatia · 2 October 2013, 06:41 PM

I don't know who made it but it certainly was not Rolex.

crowncollection · 2 October 2013, 07:21 PM

Hmmm not in any of my reference books.

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77T · 2 October 2013, 07:33 PM

If Franck drilled an Oyster case for the PC pushers as depicted then his judgement shows a huge blind spot.

BTW, the movement including that layout has been available in China as a Sea-Gull.

samsam · 2 October 2013, 07:34 PM

I love it. Could you please share more information about it.

dysondiver · 2 October 2013, 07:47 PM

ill bet the full storys an interesting read
i quite like it ,,, i think

Ardalan · 2 October 2013, 08:01 PM

Nice

Foxy1 · 2 October 2013, 08:04 PM

I would be interested to hear more on the story if anyone has it.

padi56 · 2 October 2013, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by advocatia

I don't know who made it but it certainly was not Rolex.

Have to agree and also would doubt if made by Franck Muller.

mjclark32 · 2 October 2013, 09:26 PM

GradyPhilpott · 3 October 2013, 01:09 AM

If Muller did have anything to do with that, it wouldn't be the first time that a fledgling designer took an existing product, modified it, and used the results to launch a career.

There is one designer of things which cannot be mentioned here who built an empire by having done just such a thing.

RolexWatcher · 3 October 2013, 05:14 PM

That watch really is a Rolex modified by Franck Muller? No way...looks like a damn fake to me.

Goiguidoc · 3 October 2013, 06:08 PM

This is a Franken watch not a Frank Muller!
Looks fake to me too...

bayerische · 3 October 2013, 06:52 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm sure I've seen that watch on a beach in Thailand for 10 bucks!

MonBK · 3 October 2013, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

I'm sorry, but I'm sure I've seen that watch on a beach in Thailand for 10 bucks!

Yes, full of water.

bayerische · 3 October 2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Yes, full of water.

Full of beer!

MonBK · 3 October 2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

Full of beer!

Not you, the watch.

tavv160 · 3 October 2013, 10:00 PM

Quote from another website about Rolex:

"There have always been fables about the projects Rolex decided not to do. For example, it decided not to pursue George Daniels’ Co-Axial escapement; it consciously decided not to use silicon parts despite being the very first brand to experiment with silicon in extensive tests utilizing all configurations of escapement components, including silicon monobloc anchors with integrated pallets; it decided not to use the blade-driven constant-force escapement now adopted by Girard-Perregaux (known in GP parlance as the Constant Escapement); it also decided not to industrialize a perpetual calendar that a young Franck Muller once built and showed them."

It could be possible that this was indeed something FM built. Cannot find a whole lot of other resources on the topic.

Alford78 · 1 February 2016, 09:19 AM

Old thread but for all the doubters. It is a real Rolex modified by Mr Muller and he gave it to a friend. Story is that it only took him a day to do it. I'll link the article.

https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex...franck-muller/

jeff hess · 5 February 2016, 02:58 PM

the watch is well-known and legit.

On a related note, we featured a similar oddity in our book "Rolex, The Best of Time", "Dowling & Hess", by Antoine Preziuso.

I visited Preziuso's studio a few years back and almost forgot about it.

During the tour, I saw an old steel and gold datejust in pieces on his bench and asked if he was now repairing Rolexes and we talked about the one in my book.

As to the steel datejust on his desk? It was his dads. His dad asked him to clean it as it was running poorly. As a kindness (and a cool surprise/joke), Antoine not only was going to clean it but was turning it into a perpetual calendar.

Jeff Hess

bondtoys · 5 February 2016, 08:16 PM

I am surprised about the negativity from long-time members.

The existence of this particular watch is well known (Alford78 posted the link), if you google Franck Muller Rolex Perpetual Calendar, you'll find this particular watch.

The watch is for sale here:
http://www.orologioinc.com/rolex-qui...yg-in-nyc.html

and has been discussed on TRF already:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=320982

I am not sure, if Muller at that time worked for Rolex, but I know that he restored plenty of the watches and clocks from the Rolex museum.

2 October 2013, 07:21 PM	#7
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Hmmm not in any of my reference books. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free __________________ watches many

2 October 2013, 07:33 PM	#8
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,725	If Franck drilled an Oyster case for the PC pushers as depicted then his judgement shows a huge blind spot. BTW, the movement including that layout has been available in China as a Sea-Gull. __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

2 October 2013, 08:01 PM	#11
Ardalan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 482	Nice __________________ My Collection: -Rolex White SS Daytona -Rolex Submariner no-date -Omega Speedmaster Moon Watch -Omega Seamaster Professional

2 October 2013, 08:04 PM	#12
Foxy1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Everywhere Watch: Love them all Posts: 1,503	I would be interested to hear more on the story if anyone has it. __________________ There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad. Salvador Dali

2 October 2013, 09:26 PM	#14
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2 October 2013, 02:09 PM	#2
opaline460 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: US Posts: 3,384	Cool

2 October 2013, 02:29 PM	#3
Laszlo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,856	I like.

2 October 2013, 02:33 PM	#4
CWIN "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Chris Location: San Diego Watch: Patek, AP, Rolex Posts: 4,449	Nice.

2 October 2013, 02:38 PM	#5
gofore59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Beverly Hills Watch: Rolex/Cartier/FM Posts: 122	That was either his "thesis" project when graduating watchmaking school or the watch he made for Rolex after graduating before starting his own company. Love Franck (I have a 8880 10th Anniversary Casablanca)...

2 October 2013, 06:41 PM	#6
advocatia Banned Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Andy Location: Florida USA Watch: PAM 422 GMTIIC Posts: 868	I don't know who made it but it certainly was not Rolex.

2 October 2013, 07:34 PM	#9
samsam "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,826	I love it. Could you please share more information about it.

2 October 2013, 07:47 PM	#10
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	ill bet the full storys an interesting read i quite like it ,,, i think

3 October 2013, 01:09 AM	#15
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,347	If Muller did have anything to do with that, it wouldn't be the first time that a fledgling designer took an existing product, modified it, and used the results to launch a career. There is one designer of things which cannot be mentioned here who built an empire by having done just such a thing. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

3 October 2013, 05:14 PM	#16
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	That watch really is a Rolex modified by Franck Muller? No way...looks like a damn fake to me.

3 October 2013, 06:08 PM	#17
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	This is a Franken watch not a Frank Muller! Looks fake to me too...

3 October 2013, 06:52 PM	#18
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	I'm sorry, but I'm sure I've seen that watch on a beach in Thailand for 10 bucks! __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

3 October 2013, 10:00 PM	#22
tavv160 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: UK Watch: AP, Rolex, JLC... Posts: 631	Quote from another website about Rolex: "There have always been fables about the projects Rolex decided not to do. For example, it decided not to pursue George Daniels’ Co-Axial escapement; it consciously decided not to use silicon parts despite being the very first brand to experiment with silicon in extensive tests utilizing all configurations of escapement components, including silicon monobloc anchors with integrated pallets; it decided not to use the blade-driven constant-force escapement now adopted by Girard-Perregaux (known in GP parlance as the Constant Escapement); it also decided not to industrialize a perpetual calendar that a young Franck Muller once built and showed them." It could be possible that this was indeed something FM built. Cannot find a whole lot of other resources on the topic. __________________ Kind Regards, Tony.

1 February 2016, 09:19 AM	#23
Alford78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Western KY Posts: 501	Old thread but for all the doubters. It is a real Rolex modified by Mr Muller and he gave it to a friend. Story is that it only took him a day to do it. I'll link the article. https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex...franck-muller/

5 February 2016, 02:58 PM	#24
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	the watch is well-known and legit. On a related note, we featured a similar oddity in our book "Rolex, The Best of Time", "Dowling & Hess", by Antoine Preziuso. I visited Preziuso's studio a few years back and almost forgot about it. During the tour, I saw an old steel and gold datejust in pieces on his bench and asked if he was now repairing Rolexes and we talked about the one in my book. As to the steel datejust on his desk? It was his dads. His dad asked him to clean it as it was running poorly. As a kindness (and a cool surprise/joke), Antoine not only was going to clean it but was turning it into a perpetual calendar. Jeff Hess

5 February 2016, 08:16 PM	#25
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,719	I am surprised about the negativity from long-time members. The existence of this particular watch is well known (Alford78 posted the link), if you google Franck Muller Rolex Perpetual Calendar, you'll find this particular watch. The watch is for sale here: http://www.orologioinc.com/rolex-qui...yg-in-nyc.html and has been discussed on TRF already: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=320982 I am not sure, if Muller at that time worked for Rolex, but I know that he restored plenty of the watches and clocks from the Rolex museum.

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