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Old 28 September 2019, 07:17 AM   #1
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Tudor Snowflake Sub info

So a guy on another forum aquired this from a local seller for what appears to be a below market price(he never discloses exactly what he pays for it but i believe it to be about $7000 canadian) He claims the seller was the original owner and it was military issued in Canada and the seller wore it daily for 30 years in combat/underwater etc . Buyer claims everything is original and watch has not been polished, it looks to be in pristine condition for something worn daily for so long in all sorts of environment, relume job is a horrible hack job and the bezel is of course missing. Now the buyer turns around a few short months later after calling it a grail and has decided to sell it ( kinda suspicious, makes me wonder if he found out something he didnt like). So i post the picture for the experts to chime in on and give me some info. Watch serial is 203xx which i believe is a bit late for these military issued subs?, also looks like the end links are mismatched, clasp crown looks polished off too.
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Old 28 September 2019, 07:36 AM   #2
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Watch is definitely polished. End links are not right. They should be 580s with that bracelet or 380b with 9315 folded link Tudor bracelet which these watches came on in this era. I have a Canadian Milsub but the serial is 100xxx so this may be a bit late.
The lume may still be original. I had an IWC with this effect. It is, however caused by moisture ingress which turns the tritium green.

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Old 28 September 2019, 08:01 AM   #3
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Is there some paperwork with this watch? Putting aside the seller's claims, what is the evidence that it was military issued? Without documentation, the value of the second-hand story is getting pretty low after the watch changes hands twice.

At the very least, you should try to research the serial number to check that it is within the known batch. Ross Povey might know.

Otherwise, buy it at a price that discounts any military connection and accounts for condition.
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Old 28 September 2019, 08:09 AM   #4
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Is there some paperwork with this watch? Putting aside the seller's claims, what is the evidence that it was military issued? Without documentation, the value of the second-hand story is getting pretty low after the watch changes hands twice.

At the very least, you should try to research the serial number to check that it is within the known batch. Ross Povey might know.

Otherwise, buy it at a price that discounts any military connection and accounts for condition.
no paperwork, seller claims he met the guy and he showed him all sorts of pictures of him in action, deployment etc. Lots of stories, official thank you letter from the Queen etc but nothing official.
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Old 28 September 2019, 04:11 PM   #5
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Well, I would ignore the provenance and just assume it’s a nice 7016 /9401 on an average bracelet. Do you have any experience buying these Tudors? I do.
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Old 28 September 2019, 04:34 PM   #6
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Well, I would ignore the provenance and just assume it’s a nice 7016 /9401 on an average bracelet. Do you have any experience buying these Tudors? I do.


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Old 28 September 2019, 04:42 PM   #7
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As it stands thats how im going to value it , without any provenance its just a decent 9401/0 . Looking to see if any of the experts can spot anything out of the ordinary like service parts etc. How would you value it?
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Old 29 September 2019, 10:22 AM   #8
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Forum experts?

Do all the parts look original?, have the hands been re lumed or is it water damage? anything else that sticks out? and what type of value would you put on a watch in this condition considering the money that will need to be put into it.
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Old 29 September 2019, 11:36 AM   #9
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Didn't the CDN Mil Subs have a number engraved on the caseback ? I almost bought one a few months ago and it had a serial number from the Military on the back.
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Didn't the CDN Mil Subs have a number engraved on the caseback ? I almost bought one a few months ago and it had a serial number from the Military on the back.
Not always. I've seen them without markings and all the way from serial numbers removed to crude etching between the lugs and of course later, the serial engraved in the caseback.
Mine has absolutely no markings. Can only tell from the serial number and the known batches ordered.
The Canadian Milsub is a thing of mystery. There are some trying to piece together batches based on serials ordered from the Navy at the time but the records are flaky at best.
Mine was purchased from the original Navy diver who only wore it training. Had nothing to gain by claiming it to be a Milsub as I paid under market value and that was 5 years ago.
Like you said before, purchase it as a 9401/0 in the questionable condition it's in. The only way to know if the hands were relumed for sure, is to have a watchmaker look at the underside. However, if they are relumed, the watchmaker who did it did a fantastic job with the wrong colour, which makes me believe they may be original.

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Old 29 September 2019, 11:52 AM   #11
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Didn't the CDN Mil Subs have a number engraved on the caseback ? I almost bought one a few months ago and it had a serial number from the Military on the back.
from the information i found no, it varies from country to country but the Canadian issued ones werent all engraved .
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Not always. I've seen them without markings and all the way from serial numbers removed to crude etching between the lugs and of course later, the serial engraved in the caseback.
Mine has absolutely no markings. Can only tell from the serial number and the known batches ordered.
The Canadian Milsub is a thing of mystery. There are some trying to piece together batches based on serials ordered from the Navy at the time but the records are flaky at best.
Mine was purchased from the original Navy diver who only wore it training. Had nothing to gain by claiming it to be a Milsub as I paid under market value and that was 5 years ago.
Like you said before, purchase it as a 9401/0 in the questionable condition it's in. The only way to know if the hands were relumed for sure, is to have a watchmaker look at the underside. However, if they are relumed, the watchmaker who did it did a fantastic job with the wrong colour, which makes me believe they may be original.

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Old 29 September 2019, 12:11 PM   #13
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It really is, the question is ... is it available?
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Old 29 September 2019, 01:16 PM   #14
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Lots of these Canadian Tudor milsubs popping out of the woodwork in recent months. Wonder why?
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Old 29 September 2019, 01:21 PM   #15
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Lots of these Canadian Tudor milsubs popping out of the woodwork in recent months. Wonder why?
Probably the values attached to them , I’m guessing most of these mil subs don’t have any provenance.
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Mixed on the hands, would like clearer photos of the dial to tell condition.

Otherwise seems all there. Probably polished once.
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Old 30 September 2019, 09:12 AM   #17
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Mixed on the hands, would like clearer photos of the dial to tell condition.

Otherwise seems all there. Probably polished once.
What would you pay for it in USD?
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Old 30 September 2019, 09:43 PM   #18
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I’m thinking seller wants $8k but it’s wirth more like $6k. What is the seller asking? It’s a nice watch. Chateau d’ivoire can get you a bezel in black for c$375. I don’t know if they have access to blue
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What would you pay for it in USD?
I would need better photos to give you a more accurate number but it is not worth more IMO than the starting price above.
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Appreciate the feedback guys
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I’m thinking seller wants $8k but it’s wirth more like $6k. What is the seller asking? It’s a nice watch. Chateau d’ivoire can get you a bezel in black for c$375. I don’t know if they have access to blue


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It really is, the question is ... is it available?
No sorry. I'm very fond of my Tudors
I'm also particularly lucky to have acquired this guy about 6 years ago at what would be a ridiculously low price now...

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No sorry. I'm very fond of my Tudors
I'm also particularly lucky to have acquired this guy about 6 years ago at what would be a ridiculously low price now...

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Old 6 October 2019, 01:00 AM   #24
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The endlinks are definitely wrong and the one may be aftermarket? Bracelet should be a fold over I believe...

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