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Old 26 May 2018, 10:13 AM   #1
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Rolex Submariner 5513 genuine?

Hi there,
This is my first post and I will need some help if possible
I just found this Rolex Submariner 5513 that looks really good and I am not 100% sure if it's all original or not. The watch comes head only and box.
I just added a leather band to be able to take pictures.
It's a 1969 (Serial 1,901 XXX) Matte dial , serif? Feet first, polished previously in very good condition.
My concern is if the watch is real, looks too good.
I have some pictures attached here.
Please help me to know if is OK to buy the watch or not.

Thanks a lot in advance, Dan
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Old 26 May 2018, 11:09 AM   #2
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I know next to nothing about vintage.

But I’m a monkeys uncle if that’s all original.
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Old 26 May 2018, 12:24 PM   #3
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I probably know Even Less About Vintage, But...

The Angle of the Rehaut Seems A Bit Shallow (Others I've seen seem steeper).

It looks almost "Antiseptic". i.e. Too Perfect?

Probably should wait for More Knowledgeable Members Opinions on this one.
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Old 26 May 2018, 06:35 PM   #4
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It’s probably legit but with multiple replacement parts. That doesn’t make it fake, that just makes it molested by RSC or a watchmaker. It’s hard to find these 100% original, great condition and running.
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Old 27 May 2018, 03:46 AM   #5
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I'm no expert, and as others have already commented on it looking to clean, my one concern would be the lugs and the bevel that been polished into them, just a tad to wide.... looks nice all the same.
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Old 27 May 2018, 03:46 AM   #6
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Shouldn‘t there be a groove for the bottom oring in the casemid?
Also the pivots in the automatic brigde should rubies and not metal ....
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Old 27 May 2018, 06:10 AM   #7
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Some serious ruby deficiencies there. Also the rivets on the rotor don't look right and there is missing engraving near the flywheel. Overall it looks way too clean and 'sterile'. I would tread very carefully and get it inspected and verified before committing to the purchase.
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Old 27 May 2018, 06:18 AM   #8
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Thank you very much for all the replies.
I thought that looks way to good to be true.
I think I will skip on this watch and hunt for another one.
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Old 27 May 2018, 07:47 AM   #9
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Movement and case are genuine. A
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Old 27 May 2018, 09:10 AM   #10
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Hi Adam.
Do you think that is genuine? Some people said that might not be genuine, missing rubies, etc.
I have the watch for a few more days to decide if I keep it or not. Some other guy told me that is good also.
Thanks, Dan
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Old 27 May 2018, 09:26 AM   #11
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Hi Adam.
Do you think that is genuine? Some people said that might not be genuine, missing rubies, etc.
I have the watch for a few more days to decide if I keep it or not. Some other guy told me that is good also.
Thanks, Dan

Yes I believe its good, its an early 1520 Rolex caliber, not like there newer 30xx calibers
But still a great movement
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Old 27 May 2018, 09:29 AM   #12
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Thanks a lot for your reply.
I appreciate your time.
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Old 27 May 2018, 09:30 AM   #13
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Thanks a lot for your reply.
I appreciate your time.
Pleasure hopefully others will confirm my opinions
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Old 27 May 2018, 01:15 PM   #14
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That thing is a hot mess.

As mentioned, the movement looks OK. However the dial is fake, and everything elseis wrong, IMO. I'd be returning it ASAP.
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Old 27 May 2018, 03:29 PM   #15
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Good education right here

https://www.insidehook.com/nation/ho...t-and-tailored

I'm also suspicious how the balance jewel is installed. Thats not how Rolex do it.
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Old 27 May 2018, 04:31 PM   #16
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I'm also suspicious how the balance jewel is installed. Thats not how Rolex do it.
Looks OK from here.
As mentioned though, everything else besides the movement is no good, IMO.
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Old 27 May 2018, 04:50 PM   #17
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I’m always suspicious when there is no wear between the lugs, also the printing between the lugs looks off to me .
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Old 27 May 2018, 05:09 PM   #18
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Thank you very much for all the replies.
I thought that looks way to good to be true.
I think I will skip on this watch and hunt for another one.
Mind telling us where it came from?
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Old 27 May 2018, 05:26 PM   #19
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No problem.
Comes from one of our customers. He claims that was in the safe for several years. We had multiple watches from him, over 20, and all of them were perfect. Only this one is suspicious. This is the exact condition that he got it about 7 years ago. Was worn probably 4-5 times. He is a collector.
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Old 28 November 2018, 07:23 PM   #20
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the caseback engravings also look wrong to me. The thickness of the letters is not consistent. The horizontal lines are thinner than the vertical. Also, there should be a period after the S in S.A.
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Old 29 November 2018, 01:26 AM   #21
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Agree with the movement and case- this is a great classic piece and it would be hard to find one that hasn't been services with some minor change. Also, it's VERY hard to find- at least I have never seen it- a fake of this caliber in this vintage.
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Old 29 November 2018, 01:31 AM   #22
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Look close........The "E's" are wrong on the case.
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Old 29 November 2018, 09:53 AM   #23
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Look close........The "E's" are wrong on the case.
Agree with this, the E's are wrong on the case, there is no way around that, not a genuine Rolex case.
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Old 29 November 2018, 10:36 AM   #24
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the caseback engravings also look wrong to me. The thickness of the letters is not consistent. The horizontal lines are thinner than the vertical. Also, there should be a period after the S in S.A.
Did you take a look at the OP Posting Date? Old Thread. Pretty Interesting Though....
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Old 29 November 2018, 10:44 AM   #25
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Hi everybody,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
We sent the watch to Rolex, they confirmed that the watch is genuine, they actually confirmed that they serviced the watch back in 2015. They replaced the crystal, serviced and did a touchup of the case per owners request. The owner paid $550 for the service. They said it was an earlier model of the movement. The watch was sold already.
It was extremely weird to have a watch in such a good condition and we thought that the watch is fake. Theowner got offended and he offered to pay for Rolex service and inspection. He had the papers from 2015 also.
Thanks a lot everyone for your time, definitely was an interested one.
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Old 29 November 2018, 10:56 AM   #26
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Yea, sorry everyone, I was searching for 5513s to train my eye a bit and didn't realize I had gone back that far.
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Old 29 November 2018, 11:03 AM   #27
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Yea, sorry everyone, I was searching for 5513s to train my eye a bit and didn't realize I had gone back that far.
Just because it's an old thread doesn't mean there isn't some good info there. Cheers!
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Just because it's an old thread doesn't mean there isn't some good info there. Cheers!
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Old 10 December 2018, 10:24 PM   #29
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Case is reshaped, insert without crystal is typically from the other watch, patina has odd colour, everything is too new for this watch. It's well built franken watch IMO.
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Hi everybody,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
We sent the watch to Rolex, they confirmed that the watch is genuine, they actually confirmed that they serviced the watch back in 2015. They replaced the crystal, serviced and did a touchup of the case per owners request. The owner paid $550 for the service. They said it was an earlier model of the movement. The watch was sold already.
It was extremely weird to have a watch in such a good condition and we thought that the watch is fake. Theowner got offended and he offered to pay for Rolex service and inspection. He had the papers from 2015 also.
Thanks a lot everyone for your time, definitely was an interested one.

Good to know its a good one.
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