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gregorpal · 28 September 2023, 09:41 AM

Hi!

Please I'd like to know your opinions about this gilt dial.

Thank you in advance!

CTech · 28 September 2023, 10:27 AM

That looks like an open chapter ring 5513 gilt dial fitted to watches around 1964 to 1966.

Better and more detailed photos would be required to do a complete check against known genuine examples, but at first glance it looks to be OK.

This Hodinkee article has a good example of this type of dial for comparison:

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ro...ference-points

as well as showing many other variations of the Submariner from 1953 to 1979.

Kingface66 · 28 September 2023, 10:30 AM

That is some yellow.

springer · 28 September 2023, 10:35 AM

Yellow indeed.

CTech · 28 September 2023, 11:51 AM

The dial does look very suspect and would warrant a lot more forensic analysis.

Leaving aside the extreme yellowness and looking just at the 200m etc. script, there are some significant differences in the shape, serifs and position of the letters.

The OP's dial is the top one and the other one is from the Hodinkee article referenced above.

The shape of the 2 in the 200, the 6s in 660, the S, M A and R in Submariner all look to be slightly different in the OP's dial compared to what is thought to be a genuine dial, and I'm sure there are many other differences as well, probably enough to be very cautious of the dial

gregorpal · 28 September 2023, 12:09 PM

Many thanks for your reply and comments, CTech. I agreed that lokks like a chapter ring dial. I found the Hodinkee article very illustrative touigh there are many variants of the gilt years not included.
Kind regards

gregorpal · 28 September 2023, 12:13 PM

I agree tha looks very rare even suspect. What I found as a problem is th round S (submariner) compared to the s more like a z in most of the variants i found.
I will try to add new and better pics
Many thanks again!

gregorpal · 28 September 2023, 12:14 PM

Thank you, and yes, I will try te getr better pics that surely will help

gregorpal · 28 September 2023, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Yellow indeed.

I will try te get better pics. Thank you!

lupus66 · 28 September 2023, 07:39 PM

To me looks ok but no idea how good they have become in Vietnam

springer · 28 September 2023, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupus66

To me looks ok but no idea how good they have become in Vietnam

Check the discrepancies in the other posts and you might not think it looks "ok."

gregorpal · 29 September 2023, 08:48 AM

Thanks again for your opinions!

CarlOver · 8 October 2023, 05:43 AM

If this was verified legit, what would be a fair sale price for this watch? Curious and learning. Thanks.

007Sub · 18 October 2023, 10:41 PM

Fake dial. Sorry to say. Print is incorrect. Coronet dimensions are incorrect.

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28 September 2023, 10:30 AM	#3
Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: 1966 Rolex 5513 Posts: 3,425	That is some yellow. __________________

28 September 2023, 10:35 AM	#4
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,242	Yellow indeed. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

18 October 2023, 10:41 PM	#14
007Sub "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Greg Location: USA Watch: 5514 Posts: 1,630	Fake dial. Sorry to say. Print is incorrect. Coronet dimensions are incorrect. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ @true_patina @true.dome

28 September 2023, 10:27 AM	#2
CTech "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 429	That looks like an open chapter ring 5513 gilt dial fitted to watches around 1964 to 1966. Better and more detailed photos would be required to do a complete check against known genuine examples, but at first glance it looks to be OK. This Hodinkee article has a good example of this type of dial for comparison: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ro...ference-points as well as showing many other variations of the Submariner from 1953 to 1979.

28 September 2023, 12:09 PM	#6
gregorpal "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Myplaceintheworld Posts: 335	Many thanks for your reply and comments, CTech. I agreed that lokks like a chapter ring dial. I found the Hodinkee article very illustrative touigh there are many variants of the gilt years not included. Kind regards

28 September 2023, 12:13 PM	#7
gregorpal "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Myplaceintheworld Posts: 335	I agree tha looks very rare even suspect. What I found as a problem is th round S (submariner) compared to the s more like a z in most of the variants i found. I will try to add new and better pics Many thanks again!

28 September 2023, 12:14 PM	#8
gregorpal "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Myplaceintheworld Posts: 335	Thank you, and yes, I will try te getr better pics that surely will help

28 September 2023, 07:39 PM	#10
lupus66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: holland Posts: 285	To me looks ok but no idea how good they have become in Vietnam

8 October 2023, 05:43 AM	#13
CarlOver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: US Posts: 1,956	If this was verified legit, what would be a fair sale price for this watch? Curious and learning. Thanks.

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