Rolex Daytona 116523 Authentication help

[pottsy1993]

Just thought I'd restart the post as made a hash of the pictures first time round.

Hello, as title says looking for some help with this Daytona to see if it is genuine.

Was purchased around 6 months ago but kept in box for first 4 months.

Whilst wearing, I began to notice it would only stay wound for around 24 hours and losing a minute a day. Not sure if this just requires a service or means the movement is not genuine?

Upon closer inspection I've noticed a poor finish around the sub dials and the lumes seem to be of poor quality. Also, the crown on the clasp seems poor.

However, watch was supplied with papers and Rolex service papers which gives me a small hint of confidence.

I have attached pictures of everything mentioned.

Was purchased from a trader in UK.

If I was to take to Rolex for a service and they discovered it was fake, would they destroy it or return it?

Thanks in advance.

[77T]

No that’s not an authentic Daytona.
Or it’s been botched so badly to look fake.

RSC can’t seize it unless it is on their theft register.


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[pottsy1993]

OK, thank you.

What would advise my next move?

Unsure whether to contact trader straight away as they may try deny they sold it.

Should I get third party confirmation from Rolex its not genuine and then go through trading standards?

[214270Explorer]

omg check out the bracelet clasp

[GGGMT]

You bought this 6 months ago? Getting kinda late to do much here.

1. Who was seller? How much $$
2. Assuming illegitimate seller, maybe just try to return it to them. Doubt they’ll take it back bc they know it’s fake.



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[pottsy1993]

The Kettle Kids in London.
They advertise through Instagram, have a basic website and a small office in London and have been trading for 3 or 4 years.
Purchased for £8,900.

Messaged them and they replied saying item is full genuine and was serviced before sold.
To which I sent the photos of the sub dials and hour markers pointing out poor quality.
They said watch is 100% genuine can have any watchmaker check it, maybe its running slow as needs a service.
They questioned why I was bringing this up after 6 months to which I explained it had been left in the box for some time before using and upon usage I had started noticing the movement issues and from there the quality issues.

They haven't replied to my latest message so I'm thinking take it to Rolex AD for a service and get written confirmation that its non genuine and proceed through trading standards?

[Gtecko]

Originally Posted by pottsy1993

The Kettle Kids in London.
They advertise through Instagram, have a basic website and a small office in London and have been trading for 3 or 4 years.
Purchased for £8,900.

Messaged them and they replied saying item is full genuine and was serviced before sold.
To which I sent the photos of the sub dials and hour markers pointing out poor quality.
They said watch is 100% genuine can have any watchmaker check it, maybe its running slow as needs a service.
They questioned why I was bringing this up after 6 months to which I explained it had been left in the box for some time before using and upon usage I had started noticing the movement issues and from there the quality issues.They haven't replied to my latest message so I'm thinking take it to Rolex AD for a service and get written confirmation that its non genuine and proceed through trading standards?

Curious to see what the A.D would say .. .this watch doesn't look right at all

[GLADIATOR]

Watch is FAKE - many tell-tale-signs
Get your money back

[Abmatt2002]

I hate to say this but after 6 months you may get little out of them.

A trip to the small claims court may be in order, but I think they can only handle up to 5k. How did you pay? If on CC you may be able to get your money back, but again I think time is against you.

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by Abmatt2002

I hate to say this but after 6 months you may get little out of them.

A trip to the small claims court may be in order, but I think they can only handle up to 5k. How did you pay? If on CC you may be able to get your money back, but again I think time is against you.

Nope, he's good. " The total you can claim in England and Wales is £10,000, in Scotland it's £5,000 and in Northern Ireland it's £3,000."

But act quick. That service receipt is undoubtedly fake. Send watch to RSC for service quote. They will say its fake and you can use this doc in court to support your suit against the retailer. Forget trading standards. Go the legal recourse route, if OP paid cash, bank transfer etc. If CC def try that first although statute of limitations might apply.

[Syed117]

Not only is that a fake but a pretty bad one.

Want to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes things just don't make sense. OP bought what he thought was a TT Daytona and left it in the box for 4 months? Not saying it can't happen, but most people would be really excited about their new watch and want to wear it immediately.

You learn 6 months later that you bought a terrible fake? Just seems like a strange situation.

Good luck OP.

[CorradoBrit]

Not buying the OP story. I just checked the KK IG page and they sell a lot of high end pieces. No way the OP's POS would be sold by these guys. OP why don't you post link to the listing?

https://www.instagram.com/the_kettle_kids/

[Mrjohnhuo]

Rubbish. It's so bad.

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[Gary Anderson]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

That service receipt is undoubtedly fake.

Not so sure about that.

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by Gary Anderson

Not so sure about that.

Ah so Rolex are servicing fake watches now. Good to know

[Leopard88]

Its not necessarily a fake- clasp is ok for an old model, crown is overpolished so it probably is solid gold and there are no real two tone fakes with solid gold. Dial just seems to bear waterdamage thats why lume looks so bad and there are stains on the dial too. This might be the reason why its running bad. i noticed here on this forum that so called experts claim 90% of original watches to be fake

[Andad]

Take it to a RSC, discuss your concerns, and request a service quote?

If it is genuine you will have proof.

If it is a fake they will return it and you can do the same.

[1665fan]

Looks ok to me but horrible polish job and the case is ruined....overpolished and ruined...

[Gary Anderson]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Ah so Rolex are servicing fake watches now. Good to know

Where has anyone said that? Those look like pretty convincing Bexley service papers. Watch could be a dud still.

[pottsy1993]

Leopard88 those where my initial thoughts when I inspected the dial up close and would explain the slightly under market price it was listed for.

I am taking the watch to Rolex for a service to get confirmation and will proceed from there.

The watch was advertised using the Instagram story feature and so won't be present on their page.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Leopard88

Its not necessarily a fake- clasp is ok for an old model, crown is overpolished so it probably is solid gold and there are no real two tone fakes with solid gold. Dial just seems to bear waterdamage thats why lume looks so bad and there are stains on the dial too. This might be the reason why its running bad.

This.

The watch appears to be genuine, but with a very poor/amateur refinish job and dial damage (likely from water intrusion, or mishandling/attempted cleaning of the dial during service).

Originally Posted by Leopard88

i noticed here on this forum that so called experts claim 90% of original watches to be fake

+ 1000.

People making definitive statements here, when they have no idea what they are talking about, is a bit frustrating...and it seems to have gotten more prevalent over the years.
Granted, fakes have gotten much better over the years as well, but still...

[DirtyJohn]

Originally Posted by freefly

This.

The watch appears to be genuine, ...

At the very least there is reasonable doubt as to whether the watch is genuine or not ... have you had a look at the clasp - this is not how a 116523 clasp looks? What about the top left lug and the foot-long gap to the SEL? Even watches in my collection that have been polished 10 times do not have gaps like that. What about the non-flush caseback? Where is the rehaut engraving .. .wasn't it introduced in 2005 (might be OK as the calendar is from 2004, even though the warranty certificate states 2015 as the sales date, so maybe the watch was sitting in the box for a year)?

[antrolexsub]

Watch is real. Horrific polishing job.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by freefly

People making definitive statements here, when they have no idea what they are talking about, is a bit frustrating...and it seems to have gotten more prevalent over the years.
Granted, fakes have gotten much better over the years as well, but still...

Couldn’t agree more. Some utter nonsense spouted in most threads in this section 90% of the time

[pottsy1993]

Rolex have returned the watch, delay due to covid.

Watch is genuine, however needs a full new movement and dial hands etc costing £6,000.

They have recommended a new bracelet as-well at £3,000.

Will pursue with vendor for damages and see if they can prove it wasn't in this condition when sold, for small claims court purposes, as I know I have not exposed it to any water damage.

[watchnut100]

Lots of so called experts on here I’d say watch is 100% genuine, lots of real tell tale signs why do people jump at this as being fake? Because of the terrible condition? Fakes of this are normally really thick so easy to spot, I know new supercloans use correct size case but this is an older model watch, hollow links, which are correct, clasp is correct for an older model, I’d say this is all real.

[wesdaniel]

Originally Posted by pottsy1993

Rolex have returned the watch, delay due to covid.

Watch is genuine, however needs a full new movement and dial hands etc costing £6,000.

They have recommended a new bracelet as-well at £3,000.

Will pursue with vendor for damages and see if they can prove it wasn't in this condition when sold, for small claims court purposes, as I know I have not exposed it to any water damage.

Obvioiusly, if you can get your money back - through the courts or through the seller refunding voluntarily - that's the way to go. But, that's not necessarily a sure thing.

If you can't get a refund, since you now know the watch, and all parts, are genuine, I wonder if it might be worth your time to source a local watchmaker specializing in Rolex to see if there's some less expensive option. Some people have done some pretty incredible things with some pretty beat up watches.

Good luck with whatever you pursue and hope you eventually love your watch.

[watchnut100]

I’d say it will need a service perhaps dial can be saved, lots of dials about though shop around I’d say are you UK? I can give you someone who can look at it for you.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by watchnut100

Lots of so called experts on here I’d say watch is 100% genuine, lots of real tell tale signs why do people jump at this as being fake? Because of the terrible condition? Fakes of this are normally really thick so easy to spot, I know new supercloans use correct size case but this is an older model watch, hollow links, which are correct, clasp is correct for an older model, I’d say this is all real.

You can count on one hand the amount of regular posters in this section that actually know what they’re talking about. Most just call fake to everything, this thread is a classic example.

Originally Posted by watchnut100

I’d say it will need a service perhaps dial can be saved, lots of dials about though shop around I’d say are you UK? I can give you someone who can look at it for you.

Dial looks water damaged, look at the lume it’s swollen. I’d hate to see the state of the movement.

[watchnut100]

Can you get a movement pic up?