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1 July 2017, 04:50 AM | #31 |
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Its a shame that the 3235 hasn't made its way into the sub yet, because it no doubt well if not next year than the year after, however you have a rock solid piece that is going to outlive you and by waiting until they do put the newer movement in it, your basically just delaying gratification...is it worth it? |
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1 July 2017, 07:29 AM | #34 |
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There are enough differences to postpone buying a 3135 based piece right now and to wait for the 3235 to be introduced in any model you might be after, being the Sub, the YM, Exp or whatever catches your fancy. That's what I would do anyway.
I don't have much experience with the 3235 yet (a bit more than a month) but it looks promising: better resistance to shocks, to magnetism, more efficient (less friction) Chronergy escapement and the higher power reserve of course. The 3135 is a tried and tested workhorse with enough history to know it's dependable and reliable. However, why would anyone chose the 3135 over the 3235, all other things being equal? It's like buying one car with the old engine rather then the brand new revamped one for the same money. The only reason that would tip the balance for me is if the ADs with Rolex approval would offer the old 3135 based models at a nice discount, e.g. 3135 Sub at 25% off. |
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Hello !
I was wondering the same thing, regarding which "is better" I have the new SD (red letters), compared to my subs, DJ2 It took only 20 (if no less) crown turns to have the seconds hands moving, the others at least (if not more) 30 to 40 crown turns to see seconds hands moving... hope it helps! Cheers J. |
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Having had real problems with the changeover on the new movement in my DayDate, I am cautious. The earlier 31.. iterations have been refined over many years, and that really matters. And my 3235 was no more, or less accurate than the earlier movement.
No doubt, In the long term , it will be another Rolex classic, but it has already had modifications, and right now I am in no rush to leave the 3135 behind. And as I change watches often, the longer power reserve hardly matters. I certainly wouldn't let the new movement dictate which model I bought. All Rolex movements are superb. |
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It's not until it's been updated or recalled to fix some serious issues that it's worth having and then not until it's at the end of its development cycle that it becomes really good. In that case one could wait between 10 and 30 years The 4130 is known to have been updated. It took a while for the 3130 to come into its peak of development from it's beginnings. I think the 3135 has had a few tweaks along the way as well to arrive at it's ultimate best |
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1 July 2017, 09:05 AM | #38 | |
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I think that ultimately we have to trust that Rolex will get it right. Eventually. After all their reputation is at stake. The Daniels escapement is still being tweaked after early lubrication problems and new movements are being designed around it to optimise it's potential. |
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1 July 2017, 10:47 AM | #39 |
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Not a movement expert but the 70hours power reserve is good enough for me to tide over the Saturday and Sunday of not wearing the watch and just slap it on Monday.
The practical side of me. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
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On that note, has anyone heard of significant or widespread problems with the 3235? I haven't been able to find much information on this yet. |
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If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the 3235 require more "space". It has two barrels. The Seadweller morphing into a size 43 wasn't just for fashion, my understanding was also a consequence of space for the movement and considering that the SD50 has some extra beefing up for it's water resistance. Also, its sort of comical that people are banging on Rolex's door for accuracy, magnetic and shock resistance....features Omega has been giving us for at least three years now. If you want magnetism resistance, Omega is on the leader board. Otherwise, it's really a non issue for the majority of people. Keep in mind also that Rolex doesn't like to play nice with features across it's line. As an example, the Paraflex shock system in the Explorers. They could easily implement that in the 114060 or the GMT2 but they don't, they keep it as a feature to those models. I see the same happening with the SD50, at least for the next five years. |
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The new movement has a single barrel like the 31xx movements. |
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2 July 2017, 02:55 AM | #44 | |
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I don't know if the 3235 is taller (thicker) than the 3135, though I doubt the increased size (diameter) of the SD43 has anything to do with water resistance given the first ceramic SD is smaller in width with the same WR rating My guess is that the 3235 could simply replace a 3135, and if correct, then Rolex could simply put the 3235 into a SubC or DSSD But who knows when that would happen? |
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From memory I think It's the same diameter which would help with tooling/production, but it's a little thinner. |
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And that's the beauty of Rolex.
They are able to extend the power reserve to approximate that of another well known brand's newest high-tech movements equipped with twin Spring barrels, all whilst keeping it compact and in a simple single barrel format. Rolex rules |
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The same probably applies to the Diashock and Incablock systems. Paraflex i' just a way for Rolex to differentiate its technology and give them another marketing tool. Perhaps there are some disadvantages between them all but for every disadvantage there's always an advantage. Maybe one is easier to use when servicing? Though I think I may have read somewhere that the Rolex system offers a small technical or theoretical benefit over the others. We as end consumers will never ever know. Perhaps a suitably experienced Watchmaker could weigh in on the issue and give us some valid insight? |
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But perhaps what I heard was incorrect If a 3235 can't simply replace a 3135 in a Sub, then that means it'll be a while before the Sub gets a 3235 I can't see Rolex making non-visible case changes just to switch the movement Would make more sense to bring out a new Sub, and given the history of Sub model changes, will be likely be a while for that to happen |
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If I'm right about the diameter being the same then it only means the depth of the machining of the recess will be slightly different. It will be just a few clicks on a mouse to change it. Maybe the vertical position of the Crown will be different as well, but with CAD it's an easy alteration to accommodate the new movement. I do wonder if the dials are made differently to stop people retrofitting earlier dials into the later watches with the new movement and visa versa. Even the location of the pins on the back of the dials being in a different position would be enough to stop any shenanigans. |
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3235 magnetism resistance
I have a Milgauss GV and the Omega 15'000 Gauss because I work in medical diagnostics & high magnetism is a daily occupational hazard for my watches. I have been looking for a spec on the magnetism resistance of the new 3235 movement without success. Has anyone tried the type of test shown in the attached YouTube with the new datejust or a day date with the 3255 or the Red Sea dweller? I find the omega's magnetism resistance is overkill for me (the Milgauss has enough) and the Milgauss is much more accurate than the Omega so if the new datejust 41 is close to matching the Omega 15'000 Gauss in resistance, I'd trade my Omega in for a new Rolex datejust 41.
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What is the magnetism resistance level of the 3235 movement?
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After servicing, my SDDS is -40 in 21 Days ;)
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The ball bearing rotor on my Omega SMPc is silent. I don't have any experience with Rolex movements with ball bearing rotor assemblies, but I can't imagine it being loud lol
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23 July 2017, 06:59 AM | #55 |
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Well the 3135 in my SubC is +0 seconds is in 4 days.
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23 July 2017, 07:10 AM | #56 |
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23 July 2017, 07:51 AM | #57 |
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Glad I don't worry about this stuff, I got all I can handle with the Gold.
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Just to update the thread, I've had my DJ41 with the 3235 movement for thirty days now and it's gained a total of 15 seconds. According to my laser like calculations, that's about a half second a day. It's by far the most accurate mechanical watch I've ever owned.
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Extract from the Rolex website about the 3235...
It incorporates the new Chronergy escapement patented by Rolex, which combines high energy efficiency with great dependability. Made of nickel-phosphorus, it is also insensitive to magnetic interference. An optimized blue Parachrom hairspring is fitted to the oscillator, the true heart of the watch. Patented and manufactured by Rolex in an exclusive paramagnetic alloy, it is up to 10 times more precise than a traditional hairspring in case of shocks. A Rolex overcoil ensures its regularity in any position. Calibre 3235 is equipped with a self-winding module via a Perpetual rotor. Thanks to its new barrel architecture and the escapement’s superior efficiency, the power reserve of calibre 3235 extends to approximately 70 hours. |
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I am at 92 days and i am -3. But can bring it back to zero in 3 days by placing it crown down while i sleep at night.
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