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Old 11 November 2019, 12:21 PM   #1
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Hi guys just signed up to this new rolexforum and was wondering if somebody could help me with my latest purchase as 16018 datejust solid gold with pave diamonds and Ruby bezel dial and diamond bracelet came complete with box papers the certificate mentions factory ruby diamond is there any other way of verifying that it is factory and not aftermarket
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Old 11 November 2019, 12:25 PM   #2
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When I search that reference, I'm not seeing diamonds.

You might want to check with the Vintage Forum, or maybe the Watch Out Forum.

It's usually better to check these things before you buy.

Pictures would help.
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Old 11 November 2019, 12:41 PM   #3
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Thank you for the reply I'm trying to load the photos but it's exceeding the limit having trouble reducing it
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Old 11 November 2019, 12:43 PM   #4
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Old 11 November 2019, 12:48 PM   #5
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Thank you for the reply I'm trying to load the photos but it's exceeding the limit having trouble reducing it
resize the photo in paint, or upload to imgur
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Old 11 November 2019, 01:10 PM   #6
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Use taptalk to upload a picture of it with the warranty.
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Old 11 November 2019, 01:57 PM   #7
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photos of DateJust 1988

ok got it happening now on the computer.
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Old 11 November 2019, 02:17 PM   #8
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original vs aftermarket

here is the cert, to this watch, 1988 model, in mint unworn condition i had no reason to not believe the seller, all boxes, papers tags booklets with watch
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Old 11 November 2019, 05:08 PM   #9
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May I know how much is the asking price?
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Old 11 November 2019, 05:28 PM   #10
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wasn't selling it just got it, but around 16500 us
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Old 11 November 2019, 07:05 PM   #11
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Well I don't know....


But it's quite unusual for a datejust to be heavily paved with precious stones like that.....


Maybe others would chime in soon....


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Old 11 November 2019, 07:16 PM   #12
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Bracelet doesn't look factory to me.
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Old 11 November 2019, 07:36 PM   #13
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First let's start with the President bracelet which shouldn't be on that watch. Since it's an 80s watch it's possible that was added at the dealer but in general the bracelet is reserved for Day Dates or Lady's Presidents. The easiest way to determine the authenticity is to get it to an RSC for a repair quote. In general buying a Rolex from a known supplier is the best way to go. There are many watches that have added paved dials and gem encrusted cases and bracelets. You might try searching for a comparable dial on ebay to see what shows up as aftermarket as well. Oh and with respect to the paper; which do you think is easier to forge, the paper or the watch. I'd go with the paper.
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Old 11 November 2019, 07:47 PM   #14
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First let's start with the President bracelet which shouldn't be on that watch. Since it's an 80s watch it's possible that was added at the dealer but in general the bracelet is reserved for Day Dates or Lady's Presidents. The easiest way to determine the authenticity is to get it to a RSC for a repair quote. In general buying a Rolex from a known supplier is the best way to go. There are many watches that have added paved dials and gem encrusted cases and bracelets. You might try searching for a comparable dial on ebay to see what shows up as aftermarket as well.
I believe that reference was in fact available in all gold with a presidential bracelet.
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Old 11 November 2019, 07:52 PM   #15
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Blinded by the Bling.. How can you read the time on that thing??
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Old 11 November 2019, 08:25 PM   #16
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The man I bought it from had 5 different variations of this watch it was a private collection and all the certificates were from the same Barcelona dealer it is definitely genuine certificate that marries up with the case number the only thing is the handwritten Rolex diamond Ruby special on the certificate
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Old 11 November 2019, 08:25 PM   #17
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wasn't selling it just got it, but around 16500 us
16,500 feels way too cheap for that to be all from Rolex factory.

I could be wrong and if so, an owner somewhere lost a lot of money when they sold
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Old 11 November 2019, 08:30 PM   #18
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Depends on the sunlight inside it's ok
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Old 11 November 2019, 08:34 PM   #19
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I know I got it for a good price, I would hate to think what the new price was back in the late eighties from Rolex. I was just more curious if was a way of confirming the originality but you're right probably just go to Rolex service centre.
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Old 11 November 2019, 09:09 PM   #20
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Bought this minty Day Date at the same time 18238
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Is that Sammy Davies watch?!
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Never seen an AD description like that on the guarantee paper, “Rolex Factory Special.” Would make me wonder if it was added later to justify a possible mod on the watch.
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Old 12 November 2019, 02:26 AM   #24
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Whoa, that’s one iced out watch. Not sure if Rolex would ever produce such a thing??
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Old 12 November 2019, 05:58 AM   #25
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OP, the pictures help. This is not a run of the mill Rolex. Without a doubt, I’d recommend you send it to RSC. Let them put together a service estimate. They will identify anything that is wrong with the watch, including aftermarket parts.
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Old 12 November 2019, 07:48 AM   #26
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ok got it happening now on the computer.


All the diamonds are aftermarket, that dial dies not exist. Bezel is aftermarket, that model did not come with one. Band at best has had diamonds added, show is the clasp markings. Rolex did not make a fully paved band.

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Old 12 November 2019, 01:34 PM   #27
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Watch is at the r s c at the moment getting verified
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Old 12 November 2019, 01:45 PM   #28
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No way that’s all factory. Molested in my opinion, but I have been wrong before. Beautiful though.
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Old 12 November 2019, 02:41 PM   #30
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Good luck mate! I am sure you will receive some good news at the RSC
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