Rolex 16528 “Inverted 6” Daytona Question

[SweetJones55]

I am looking to buy a yellow gold, black dial 16528 inverted 6 dial. Is it true that all inverted 6’s came on a bracelet with NO clasp? What years were they made and what serial? Thanks in advance to anyone who can provide some insight!

[1665fan]

What serial is the one your looking at?

[swish77]

Inverted 6s on Zenith Daytonas are generally accepted as E series through early S series, but like all things Rolex, that might not be 100 percent in stone.

Not sure what you mean about the clasp. All the bracelets had/have clasps. Do you mean flip-locks? Rolex switched from the 78360s with no flip-lock in to 78390s with flip-locks in mid-'90s. Not sure you can 100 percent pin it down based on the inverted 6 because there was probably some cross-over. I would just make sure the date/year stamp on the clasp matches (approximately) the serial-number year.

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by swish77

Inverted 6s on Zenith Daytonas are generally accepted as E series through early S series, but like all things Rolex, that might not be 100 percent in stone.

Not sure what you mean about the clasp. All the bracelets had/have clasps. Do you mean flip-locks? Rolex switched from the 78360s with no flip-lock in to 78390s with flip-locks in mid-'90s. Not sure you can 100 percent pin it down based on the inverted 6 because there was probably some cross-over. I would just make sure the date/year stamp on the clasp matches (approximately) the serial-number year.

Yes, I mean the flip-locks.

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

What serial is the one your looking at?

I haven't found one yet, still looking. Just want to make sure I get a "correct" one so doing my research.

[SweetJones55]

Just found a W serial with a inverted 6 dial. Is that definitely not the correct serial for the watch? He is saying, Sometimes rolex will have old stock dials and they used it. Because a Watchmaker checked it and told him the hands never been removed.

[1665fan]

W serial never came with inverted 6....t serial came before w and never came with inverted 6.....inverted 6 stopped middle S series at the latest.....which was probably 1993-1994 area

[PVR]

1665fan is correct. Midway through the production of the S serials, the inverted 6 dials were phased out. I dont know what "no clasp" means. I have never seen any watch that has no clasp. Some are hidden clasps, some have flip lock clasps, but NO clasps?

Early Zeniths had clasps without the flip lock. Again, early S serials and earlier had no flip lock bracelets, afterwards they all had flip locks.

There are 2 for sale on HQ Milton right now that are both outstanding full sets. A black and a white. The white he has is perhaps the nicest one I have ever seen, but the black aint too shabby either..

[swish77]

Originally Posted by PVR

1665fan is correct. Midway through the production of the S serials, the inverted 6 dials were phased out. I dont know what "no clasp" means. I have never seen any watch that has no clasp. Some are hidden clasps, some have flip lock clasps, but NO clasps?

Early Zeniths had clasps without the flip lock. Again, early S serials and earlier had no flip lock bracelets, afterwards they all had flip locks.

There are 2 for sale on HQ Milton right now that are both outstanding full sets. A black and a white. The white he has is perhaps the nicest one I have ever seen, but the black aint too shabby either..

Yup, these questions were addressed earlier in the thread, but where are the 16520s that you mention? I don't see any that HQ Milton is selling at the moment.

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by swish77

Yup, these questions were addressed earlier in the thread, but where are the 16520s that you mention? I don't see any that HQ Milton is selling at the moment.

I am looking for the yellow gold. It is reference 16528

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by PVR

1665fan is correct. Midway through the production of the S serials, the inverted 6 dials were phased out. I dont know what "no clasp" means. I have never seen any watch that has no clasp. Some are hidden clasps, some have flip lock clasps, but NO clasps?

I meant the flip lock. Sorry, was using wrong terminology.

[SweetJones55]

Other than floating cosmograph, what else changed about the dials over the years with the 16528 if any?

[Onequik135i]

There’s a newly listed 1990 model over at Hqmilton’s webpage as heads up.

[PVR]

I am posting this up without permission from the original owner, but it is available online via google so, whoever made it I hope is ok with me posting it up here. This chart is not entirely accurate, but it is 95% accurate and can help you see what differences there were with dials, bezels and bracelets over the course of the production..

[PVR]

A few things to note. On the HQ site, the black E serial has inverted 6 as well as no flip lock clasp. This is correct for the watch. The white S serial also has inverted 6, but the bracelet does have a flip lock. Also, correct for S serial. The chart above was made for the 16520 SS variant, but it applies to the two tone and all gold versions as well. The dials and bezels changed across the board on all models at the same time and so did the bracelets.

[SweetJones55]

Thank you to all for information, very helpful.

[SweetJones55]

Does anyone know who is selling this. It’s a US Dealer.

https://gothelist.com/gen/rolex-zeni...N9w#modesens=1

[SweetJones55]

Does anyone know who is selling this. It’s a US Dealer.

https://gothelist.com/gen/rolex-zeni...N9w#modesens=1

[jaisonline]

I took a quick glance at the yellow gold model on the web site (now sold out).

The all gold 78668 bracelet w/o the flip-lock was made / used from 1988-1993 which is about R to some S serials.

Bezel looks correct based on the dots.

The chart above is a very nice guide but is getting a tad out of date. Missing some Marks.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by SweetJones55

Other than floating cosmograph, what else changed about the dials over the years with the 16528 if any?

Research and charts are almost always for the fast moving SS models.

The gold models were not produced at the same time and are a year or two off from SS models.

[SweetJones55]

Finders fee if someone can find me a nice one for good price (not HQ’s).

[SweetJones55]

Is it possible for the bracelet/case to be correct with an X-SERIAL watch on a S stamped bracelet or is it more than likely that the bracelet was replaced? I found one and the seller is saying this is common that that the watch case was made in 1991 and was sitting to be sold, eventually put on 1994 S bracelet 3 years later and sold to the public.

[SweetJones55]

Is it possible an L-Serial could have come with a inverted 6 dial WITH "officially certified" written on it? Noticed in chart above that it's supposed to be missing this. I found a nice one but it does have "officially certified" on it.

[jaisonline]

Originally Posted by SweetJones55

Is it possible an L-Serial could have come with a inverted 6 dial WITH "officially certified" written on it? Noticed in chart above that it's supposed to be missing this. I found a nice one but it does have "officially certified" on it.

That chart is outdated in areas but is a nice general guide.

I just did a quick google search. I found 2 “9” L serials (1988/ 1989) with “officially certified” on the dial. Also found some for sale w/o the dial text.

Even found a L28 serial with “9” and “officially certified” on a Porcelain dial. This is called a Mark 1 3D since it has a glossy dial (Porcelain) and some see the color of “Daytona” as less red (almost red- pink).

L serials came with Mark 1 (3D and non-3D) and Mark 2 dials.

I am in the process of updating my 16520 Mark topic w/ this type of into to help members.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719976

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by jaisonline

That chart is outdated in areas but is a nice general guide.

I just did a quick google search. I found 2 “9” L serials (1988/ 1989) with “officially certified” on the dial. Also found some for sale w/o the dial text.

Even found a L28 serial with “9” and “officially certified” on a Porcelain dial. This is called a Mark 1 3D since it has a glossy dial (Porcelain) and some see the color of “Daytona” as less red (almost red- pink).

L serials came with Mark 1 (3D and non-3D) and Mark 2 dials.

I am in the process of updating my 16520 Mark topic w/ this type of into to help members.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719976

Great info thanks!

[jaisonline]

Originally Posted by SweetJones55

Great info thanks!

Glad to help. My pleasure.

I’m still learning myself after buying an SS A-serial last month. Spent ample time researching instead of buying one last year. ...could have saved some nice cash as prices went up $4k in 2019 (on avg) for Swiss Made dials. On the flip side, I was a slightly more educated buyer. Ha

I would love a YG or a Porcelain SS dial but the prices are getting too silly for me.

Many folks just don’t realized 165XXs weren’t produced anything like 1165XXs. These Zenith models were hard to get at ADs from the starting gate.

Still, I wish Rolex used optional black aluminum inserts for some modes (like its Tudor 79160 / 79260 cousins) and previous 4-digit Daytona watches.

[Harry49]

Nice chart
It can be very helpful

[Harry49]

Originally Posted by PVR

I am posting this up without permission from the original owner, but it is available online via google so, whoever made it I hope is ok with me posting it up here. This chart is not entirely accurate, but it is 95% accurate and can help you see what differences there were with dials, bezels and bracelets over the course of the production..

The chart will be very helpful
Good one man..

[jaisonline]

Originally Posted by Harry49

Nice chart
It can be very helpful

Yes. I'm creating a revised one for the thread referenced above. That chart has become too outdated though and missing key some info. If you have questions, ask away there,

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719976

[SweetJones55]

Originally Posted by SweetJones55

Finders fee if someone can find me a nice one for good price (not HQ’s).

Still looking for one if anyone has a lead....