“The Supercase was a mistake!”

[joli160]

Originally Posted by thenewrick

They changed quite a bit actually:

Case width increase, case thickness decrease, crown guard decrease, lug width decrease, bracelet increase

Looking at it from a foot away you can’t see any of the changes, minor tweaks, nothing to get excited about

[Toproll85]

It's funny.
The current case is actually bigger, so it's a "super supermaxicase".
The horns lengthen and are 0.5mm less at the end, but everything else is larger in size.
So the supermaxicase is better, and historical format.

How can we say that the old was a mistake when the new is worse? You really have to be stupid

[nigelUK]

I wonder if 'highly polished' examples will be sought after in 20 years

[rolexless]

The fact that Rolex dialed the maxi case back after just one generation of Subs (instead of spreading it to Sea-Dwellers and other lines) speaks volumes.

[MrMercedes]

Supercase:

[Onikage]

I don't like any of the funny shaped offerings from Omega or Seiko either. Especially the dated looking oval spoony affairs. Some people love those too. Yet to try the revised Sub but I doubt it's going to beat a 16610.

[Ranger67]

When the 12 was released and TRF went crazy regarding the changes I thought maybe I shouldn’t have waited and not bought my 11 Sub in July, after seeing the new references on Friday I realised it’s all hype, the normal person wouldn’t notice / care.
How long will this go on and on about maxi case/Blockhead being a mistake, it wasn’t for over 10 years, just enjoy what reference you have, it’s pointless having polls which is best it DOESN’T really matter.

[Mac-427]

Hell no, love my "Blockhead."

[TswaneNguni]

Never has 0.5mm been so much discussed, in detail, in the history of mankind .. " The Battle of the Small Sports "

My DSSDs,SD43,SkyD,EXPL II 42s are laughing their asses off !

[Goose 104]

I have to say I agree with Nathan on this one - spot on. The new Sub has better proportions but we are talking about incremental improvements.

[Cru Jones]

Only the small wristed can get so excited about 0.5 mm....

I like both, though I think the 11* series has more style.

[sutats]

I've always felt the supercase Rolex Submariners and the like had an unbalanced design especially when you look at the previous generation five digit references. The size of the watches is not the issue, it's the shape of the watch as a whole.

The hulking lump of a case with blocky square tip lugs that span out and lead to a wildly staggered and drastically narrowed bracelet gave it an unbalanced top heavy appearance. The newly released 2020 Rolex watches has made progress by slimming the lugs, reducing the case thickness, and at the same time widening the bracelet to give it a more gradual and sleeker silhouette.

[Bro Watch]

Originally Posted by vh2k

https://youtu.be/DnalC9GMB5g

“The Supercase was a mistake,” claims C&C.

Definitive Submariner guide from Crown & Caliber.

Great resource. Do you agree?

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[Walster]

The new subs look effeminate with the slim lugs. Too girly for my taste.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

We're talking pure aesthetics of 1-2mm on the lugs which to me is de minimis non curat lex.

Unfortunately beauty is all about aesthetics and nothing else. All humans have basically the same shape. It's the mms that make the differences. The devil is in the detail.

I believe the widened lugs weren't for aesthetics but to allow greater polishing over the years without having to judge the case too damaged to use. I agree that it was a mistake as the average time between services is about 10 years and not five as it used to be considered. Actually I'll side with five digit reference shape and neither the Supercase nor the 41mm case.

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Only the small wristed can get so excited about 0.5 mm....

I like both, though I think the 11* series has more style.

Guilty as charged with a 6.5in wrist!!!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

We're talking pure aesthetics of 1-2mm on the lugs which to me is de minimis non curat lex.

Exactly. I find this argument one of the most bizarre arguments I’ve ever seen in the watch world. I had no idea so many of our fellow enthusiast had a level of OCD so detailed that they would not only notice such a insignificant difference but be bothered by it so intensely.

[abozz]

Originally Posted by Kostas

Supercase looks awesome, I don’t mind the new one either.

Looks perfect!

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[WastedYears]

Two things:

If you ignore the whole "Rolex made a mistake" part, the C&C video is actually spot on about everything else.

I know you're never ever supposed to wear the Sub on anything but the bracelet, but somehow I get the feeling this mantra was created by fatboy owners who realized that the fat lugs just don't go well with anything other than the bracelet. As a serial strap switcher, I want my Sub to look good on a NATO or even on leather. The last Sub doesn't - the new one does.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by WastedYears

Two things:

If you ignore the whole "Rolex made a mistake" part, the C&C video is actually spot on about everything else.

I know you're never ever supposed to wear the Sub on anything but the bracelet, but somehow I get the feeling this mantra was created by fatboy owners who realized that the fat lugs just don't go well with anything other than the bracelet. As a serial strap switcher, I want my Sub to look good on a NATO or even on leather. The last Sub doesn't - the new one does.

That’s about like saying this 42 mm watch looks good on a wrist that’s 6.75 inches but not a wrist that 6.65 inches.

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Exactly. I find this argument one of the most bizarre arguments I’ve ever seen in the watch world. I had no idea so many of our fellow enthusiast had a level of OCD so detailed that they would not only notice such a insignificant difference but be bothered by it so intensely.

I have only a passing interest in the Submariner these days (to my eyes,a ceramic bezel did not make it a better watch but didn't completely ruin it like it did the Daytona) but the latest change isn't just about 1.0mm. The shape of the new lugs has just enough curvature on the outside edge that when combined with the overall thinner profile does give it a less blocky look. We can all disagree about which one looks better but the new model has a noticeably different look. Maybe I'm being OCD about words but you are misusing the term OCD. Noticing detail is something some do more naturally than others, it doesn't mean they are obsessed with it.

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[Patton250]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I have only a passing interest in the Submariner these days (to my eyes,a ceramic bezel did not make it a better watch but didn't completely ruin it like it did the Daytona) but the latest change isn't just about 1.0mm. The shape of the new lugs has just enough curvature on the outside edge that when combined with the overall thinner profile does give it a less blocky look. We can all disagree about which one looks better but the new model has a noticeably different look. Maybe I'm being OCD about words but you are misusing the term OCD. Noticing detail is something some do more naturally than others, it doesn't mean they are obsessed with it.

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I have all three versions and I have stared at them next to each other many times over. The biggest difference which is a magnificent difference and that is the ceramic bezel. It takes the submariner to a much higher level of pleasing aesthetics in my opinion. Also of course the new bracelet is vastly superior to the five digit bracelet in looks, build quality and usefulness. Even your biggest five digit fans here won’t argue that. Lastly the case. Are they different? Yes. But so slightly that you literally have to stare at it for 10 straight seconds and purposely look for the differences. It is most certainly not something you would notice at a glance and it shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever to an individual when it comes to deciding which to purchase. In fact the only argument I can agree with would be from the five digit fans when they say the new six digit ceramic versions just look too much like jewelry compared to the five digit version mostly because of the ceramic. I would agree with that. As I stated above the six digit ceramic versions are much more pleasing to look at. IMHO.

[WastedYears]

Originally Posted by Patton250

That’s about like saying this 42 mm watch looks good on a wrist that’s 6.75 inches but not a wrist that 6.65 inches.

I don't have any pictures of the fatboy on NATO/leather on hand, so it's hard to make a side by side comparison. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it that this just looks so much better:

[garyk]

Originally Posted by David5807

The lugs on the 11-series get such an overexaggeratedly bad rap. This may just be my opinion, but do people really consider these to be fat and huge lugs? I just don't get it
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Nope, not fat unless your magnifying the lugs vs the rest of the watch which is a ridiculous way to look at it. Your watch btw, outstanding!!

[garyk]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I have only a passing interest in the Submariner these days (to my eyes,a ceramic bezel did not make it a better watch but didn't completely ruin it like it did the Daytona) but the latest change isn't just about 1.0mm. The shape of the new lugs has just enough curvature on the outside edge that when combined with the overall thinner profile does give it a less blocky look. We can all disagree about which one looks better but the new model has a noticeably different look. Maybe I'm being OCD about words but you are misusing the term OCD. Noticing detail is something some do more naturally than others, it doesn't mean they are obsessed with it.

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So the ceramic bezel ruined the Daytona? Lol, just read an article about the most in demand watch on the planet but maybe the planet has it wrong?!

[WastedYears]

Borrowed from an older thread:

Originally Posted by kohe321

In my eyes that just doesn't work.

[Mystro]

C&C is just a retail store and their opinion is not relevant. They are fishing for attention pure and simple.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by WastedYears

Borrowed from an older thread:



In my eyes that just doesn't work.

I think it looks great however that’s one very large wrist. If I was him I would rock a 44mm AP ROO and call it a day.

[1William]

I think all of the Submariners from each generation look great. It is a matter of preference and not a mistake.

[enjoythemusic]

Why should i give a flying f__k what C&C says?

That's like giving even a smidge of value to what Gartman has to say about finances / stocks. Whatever he says, do the opposite and you're golden :)

[dnpina]

Originally Posted by Kostas

Supercase looks awesome, I don’t mind the new one either.

That looks great Goldfinger. I love the blue Sub

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