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16 March 2019, 07:12 AM | #1 |
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Glassutte Original vs. Grand Seiko vs. Zenith
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I am considering adding another watch to my collection. I am considering getting one of these watches (prices are what I could possibly get them for): * Glashute Original Panoinverse ($6,800) * Grand Seiko SBGM235 ($5,000) * Zenith El Primery Defy 21 or Chronomaster Open ($4,800-$7,500) I like them all about the same for different reasons. I want to get all of them but will have to do with one for now. So here is what I think would steer me towards a particular one: - Which one will hold its value best? I am in a relatively comfortable position to buy one but I would hate to lose money if I ever needed to sell for some "life event" kind of reason. Some pics for reference. Thank you!
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All of those watches don’t hold their value that well, it’s unfortunate because they are all very cool watches. Of those 4 I’d go for the Zenith Defy or the GO, and it would be a hard choice between the two.
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Thanks again. Leaning towards the GO at the moment.
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16 March 2019, 09:03 AM | #4 |
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I like the looks of that Zenith...
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16 March 2019, 09:26 AM | #5 |
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The Defy is my vote...and if you can get it for 7500 that’s taken most of the hit.
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16 March 2019, 09:28 AM | #6 |
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I’d take the GS, I’ve always loved GS and I think that’s a great iteration. I like the zenith a lot as well but the dial looks like it’d be tough to read the time honestly. Post some pics once you decide!
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The Zenith and the GO would be mostly bought online to get better pricing.
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obviously you are looking for opinions and from a purely aesthetic viewpoint i think the grand seiko looks best. i don't mind the totally skeleton dialed zenith but the partially-skeletonized dials exposing the balances of the other zenith and glashutte look like distracting off-center blobs that one would expect on cheap chinese knock-offs. personally i couldn't look at either of them for long without wanting to flip them for something more visually appealing.
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I like the Zenith for a different look but the watch brand that might actually be the best for you would be the Grand Seiko. Inside the Grand Seiko line-up the only watches that hold the line on prices and some even increase significantly are the Limited Editions. Look at last years Grand Seiko's that were releases at Basel and the SS blue dial version is the winner. I do not have the reference in front of me but I believe the number is 387. I should know because I own the watch. The others you listed may have taken the big hit on value but you will still lose significant money should you decide to move them and many of our Trusted Sellers will not touch several of these models. Grand Seiko is surging in both popularity and collector awareness and should be a solid choice if you select the right model.
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How do you you like the spring drive? That is another thing to consider. GS makes both great autos and spring drive mechanisms. I would like to have a model that has an incredible movement displayed as I love taking my watches off and seeing the movements play. Thanks,
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I tried on that exact GS GMT on Friday. Was just walking by and it caught my eye, the dial is stunning. Dial, movement finish, case, I was really impressed. Never seen the GO but the quality of the finish of that GS blew away the Zenith. You should see the movement, they do some kind of crazy polish on there and it was blinding. I thought it was a trick of the store lighting and but it wasn't, the movement in the JLC I was wearing looked dull by comparison. I would be wearing it now if it wasn't so small, sub 40mm and a narrowish band was just too tiny for me....
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The GS, no brainer for me.
(Value retention ? best don't buy a watch at all apart from some Rolex hot models from an AD)
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Value retention is probably similar for these timepieces. Looks like you would be buying at a good price, therefore you should be able to limit your losses. These are slow movers so understand that it might be difficult to sell them directly or through a dealer and that you will get a hit anyway.
All this being said, these are very different watches so I think you should go with the one that you like the most. They all have their own merits but I do not think there is an objective metrics for preferring one over the other one. |
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GS all day long.
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I love Glaschutte and will own one for sure. Also like GS. But I got this recently and just love it. It is so different from everything else I’ve owned and is really captivating in person.
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I've owned a GO and currently have a Zenith, they are both excellent manufacturers. Of the options you listed I'd go Zenith first, GO then Seiko far far 3rd.
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Out of curiosity, how did you do on resale with the GO and which model was it? I understand if you don’t want to elaborate.
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Of the 4 I’d buy the Defy. Definitely not the Chronomaster Open - that used to be on ashford for $3500 and is pretty old.
You’ll likely take a loss on all 4, typical for the brand. Buy right (30%+ discount) and enjoy it, don’t worry about resale. |
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is the GO pre=owned, and if so is it out of warranty?
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LOL! happy to answer your question. It was the Glashütte Original Senator Navigator Flyback, I sold it probably 6-7 years ago for $300-$400 less than I paid but I bought it at a nice discount so definitely recommend not paying retail for these pieces. Same goes for Zenith, definitely do not pay retail
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Personally I prefer the GS, but these are all nice pieces
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Wow thats a tough choice.. I like all those ref's, although probably a diff combo on the Zenith's but what a fun dilemma to be in
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Between the 4 you listed, from a purely aesthetic/emotional perspective, I'd go for the GO or the Zenith Chronomaster Open. For either, I'd be tempted to buy pre-owned, as depreciation is pretty steep.
As for the GS, that particular model doesn't do much for me....MUCH prefer the SBGM221 GMT. |
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Grand Seiko for sure...!
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I like the Zenith El Primero 2. I like GO and at one point owned 3. I am down to the Senator Observer now.. I like skeletons and probably why I would go with that Zenith. I have seen in person and really think it looks better than the photos
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