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stockae92 · 22 December 2020, 05:58 AM

of course you can daily any BMW long term, just that its going to cost ya .. :D

If you keep up with the preventive maintenance, you'll be fine.

If you want care-free long term reliability, get the Lexus

beshannon · 22 December 2020, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cruise_bone

I've had a BMW 328i and M3 and both were essentially bullet proof. The reliability issues IMO are just not true. I've had zero issues with both. Will the Lexus be more maintenance free? Perhaps. But the pure joy of driving the M5 will far outweigh that.
Get the M5!

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Originally Posted by placek

Used to love BMWs, but my last 2 we awful. The depreciation on them is pretty awful as well. You aren't going to do any better with the resale on the LC, but it's Toyota and you know the build quality there.

I look at the LC every time I see one, which is not that often, and comment how nice it is. I can't say the same thing about any BMW.

I owned a 2009 550 and after the problems I had with it, I would never buy a BMW again.

I am on my third Mercedes and that is now my brand.

HippoPAPAmus · 22 December 2020, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by beshannon

I owned a 2009 550 and after the problems I had with it, I would never buy a BMW again.

I am on my third Mercedes and that is now my brand.

2008 550i here. Problems with the idrive were so severe I dumped it after a year. Took a bath, but it became too much to tolerate. Center console and instrument cluster wouldn’t turn on at times. Very dangerous. Literally everything I’ve owned since has been better. It was sad turn off events because I was very much a BMW guy before that having owned and loved a 330i and had a number of different convertibles in the family over the years.

breitlings · 23 December 2020, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FHFinster

I can’t believe the votes for the Lexus over the M5.

Even though the Lexus may last forever mechanically, the styling will be tired in a few years.

Japanese cars and their wild designs just don’t last. Except for maybe the Nissan Z, I can’t think of one design that’s withstood the test of time.

The M5 will look hot today and hot 10 years from now. And it probably will still be running too. Lol.

Fin

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srvrf · 23 December 2020, 07:07 AM

I just leased a M550i. I’m 52 and despite loving the M cars (I’ve driven many of them at the M Track Days and my dealer) the ride is just too harsh. I think that for those who want a more sporty looking and better performance car, the M___i models are great. It is plenty fast (0-60 in 3.6 seconds) and very comfortable. Great daily driver.

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brandrea · 23 December 2020, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by beshannon

I owned a 2009 550 and after the problems I had with it, I would never buy a BMW again.

I am on my third Mercedes and that is now my brand.

... and a very fine one you own too my friend

G8RDPM · 23 December 2020, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by srvrf

I just leased a M550i. I’m 52 and despite loving the M cars (I’ve driven many of them at the M Track Days and my dealer) the ride is just too harsh. I think that for those who want a more sporty looking and better performance car, the M___i models are great. It is plenty fast (0-60 in 3.6 seconds) and very comfortable. Great daily driver.

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Had my 2020M550i for a year now. Very happy with it!
Like you said, not as rough as my prior M cars, but great acceleration and comfort.

ckaynyc · 24 December 2020, 10:05 AM

Two completely different vehicles.

MrGoat · 24 December 2020, 10:10 AM

Lease- M car.

Buying- Lexus.

As other have stated BMW has lost a lot in reliability as it seems they’ve shifted to vehicles for lease rather than purchase. I wouldn’t own a 2005 or newer BMW without it being leased or under an iron clad CPO warranty.

Unfortunately they’re not what they used to be.

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envuks · 24 December 2020, 10:25 AM

The s63 engine is not known for its reliability. Twin turbos, and a fit that shoehorned into the engine bay make for a bad combo if real work is needed.

I explored multiple cars with the s63 engine when I was buying my last vehicle about 1.5 years ago. Mostly 550s and 650s with AWD. Ultimately, I learned enough to steer me away from it despite loving it conceptually. I wanted it, but ultimately the practical side of me won out.

If you do buy an m5, my advice would be to not keep it too far past the factory warranty.

I say this as someone who drove a 335 (n54) to 140k+ miles. My experience was good, but I did replace both turbos in that car at 43k. The car was at the dealership getting turbos replaced as the factory warranty expired. What would have been a $6500 job at that point cost me $12, which was actually a fee for the loner vehicle.

I moved over to a supercharged Audi.

If I were you, I’d certainly go with the Lexus here

BMWs are lovely and so much fun, but these new age twin turbo cars aren’t my cup of tea. I’m sure others will feel differently, but that’s just me

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Bassplayer · 24 December 2020, 10:38 AM

Had a 2012 X5 with s63 and lucky it was a CPO with extended warranty. After a year of ownership, BMW bought it back. Fun to drive when not in shop...

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Psmith · 24 December 2020, 05:58 PM

I was a BMW fan for many years, but my last experience (320, 2017-19) was so traumatic - relatively speaking - that I will never own another. Go with Lexus.

drgoro · 25 December 2020, 08:52 AM

I’ve sworn off BMW. In my experience they do not stand by their product. Get the Lexus.

BNA/LION · 10 January 2021, 06:51 AM

In January 2015 I bought a New 2014 F13 M6 Competition. It's a Blast and a hell of a daily driver with 600hp, 516 ib.ft of torque 0-60 in 3.9 sec. I did blow the engine around 20k miles but BMW replaced it and it is running strong! I want a new car but I don't need one as the M6 Competition checks All the boxes for me. Been considering a tune but I don't track it or race it. I drive it hard but really don't need the extra horse power.

In conclusion: I would buy the M5 Competition.

huncho · 10 January 2021, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BNA/LION

In January 2015 I bought a New 2014 F13 M6 Competition. It's a Blast and a hell of a daily driver with 600hp, 516 ib.ft of torque 0-60 in 3.9 sec. I did blow the engine around 20k miles but BMW replaced it and it is running strong! I want a new car but I don't need one as the M6 Competition checks All the boxes for me. Been considering a tune but I don't track it or race it. I drive it hard but really don't need the extra horse power.

In conclusion: I would buy the M5 Competition.

M6s were really nice. when the m8 first came out i really disliked it in comparison to the m6 but i gotta say when i started seeing them in person i became a huge fan. those things lease super well right now too...there are deals for leasing an m8 that come out to the same price as a c63 lol, insane

envuks · 10 January 2021, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BNA/LION

In January 2015 I bought a New 2014 F13 M6 Competition. It's a Blast and a hell of a daily driver with 600hp, 516 ib.ft of torque 0-60 in 3.9 sec. I did blow the engine around 20k miles but BMW replaced it and it is running strong!

A very fun and beautiful vehicle, but a blown engine at 20k miles is exactly my reason to recommend avoiding these vehicles outside of factory warranty. Imagine paying for that repair out of pocket at 50k miles as the car drops warranty. Yikes!

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BNA/LION · 10 January 2021, 08:15 AM

Pretty much a freak accident. One of the turbo fans hit the casing, sent metal fragments into the engine and it lost compression. BMW's are good cars and the M's are Fantastic! IMHO

favre12rodgers · 18 January 2021, 11:25 AM

I have a 2019 M5 and it’s been great. I drive a lot, too.....I’ve had it a year and it has 25k miles on it already. I think the only issue I’ve had was with a door handle (which was fixed under warranty).

I had a 2018 M550i for 2 years before the M5 and it was great through 45k miles. The G30/F90 chassis has been solid.

I had a M6 Gran Coupe before that and it’s night and day due to the AWD in terms of the power.

In terms of Lexus, they were really at the top of their game back when I owned them (early 2000s). They are all pretty pedestrian now, including the LC. I wouldn’t buy one now.

joli160 · 20 January 2021, 05:35 AM

I would choose the Lexus for the interior alone.
Beautiful car

socialpro · 20 January 2021, 06:05 AM

I would vote M5 out of the two. Never been a fan of Lexus, especially the LC500.

But honestly as several others members mentioned, I would step down to either the 550 or 540 for a daily.

I had an RS7 for ~ 1 year as a daily and it just becomes too much car to be just racking on miles on (I drive 20K miles a year) - especially fighting through freeway traffic etc. I simultaneously had an A6 Diesel that turned into my DD and was a significantly easier car to live with day to day. Eventually sold the RS7 are it was good at many things, great at nothing!!

breitlings · 20 January 2021, 08:08 AM

The drop between a 550 and M5 isn't incredibly great iirc? Is Mercedes an option? They have the E63s which I believe uses a twin turbo twin scroll v8 paired with a 48v starter/generator/hybrid boost that makes it really smooth. I've heard they are pumping up that eboost system significantly.

22 December 2020, 05:58 AM	#31
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envuks 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New England Posts: 3,687	The s63 engine is not known for its reliability. Twin turbos, and a fit that shoehorned into the engine bay make for a bad combo if real work is needed. I explored multiple cars with the s63 engine when I was buying my last vehicle about 1.5 years ago. Mostly 550s and 650s with AWD. Ultimately, I learned enough to steer me away from it despite loving it conceptually. I wanted it, but ultimately the practical side of me won out. If you do buy an m5, my advice would be to not keep it too far past the factory warranty. I say this as someone who drove a 335 (n54) to 140k+ miles. My experience was good, but I did replace both turbos in that car at 43k. The car was at the dealership getting turbos replaced as the factory warranty expired. What would have been a $6500 job at that point cost me $12, which was actually a fee for the loner vehicle. I moved over to a supercharged Audi. If I were you, I’d certainly go with the Lexus here BMWs are lovely and so much fun, but these new age twin turbo cars aren’t my cup of tea. I’m sure others will feel differently, but that’s just me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Current watches: 116718ln, 116500 black dial, 40mm Breitling Chronomat MOP dial “A man with one watch always knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.”

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Bassplayer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: CA Watch: Wife says too many Posts: 346	Had a 2012 X5 with s63 and lucky it was a CPO with extended warranty. After a year of ownership, BMW bought it back. Fun to drive when not in shop... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ------------------------------------------------------ " I prefer to drink; not drive " John Alec Entwistle

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Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	I was a BMW fan for many years, but my last experience (320, 2017-19) was so traumatic - relatively speaking - that I will never own another. Go with Lexus. __________________

10 January 2021, 06:51 AM	#44
BNA/LION 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,206	In January 2015 I bought a New 2014 F13 M6 Competition. It's a Blast and a hell of a daily driver with 600hp, 516 ib.ft of torque 0-60 in 3.9 sec. I did blow the engine around 20k miles but BMW replaced it and it is running strong! I want a new car but I don't need one as the M6 Competition checks All the boxes for me. Been considering a tune but I don't track it or race it. I drive it hard but really don't need the extra horse power. In conclusion: I would buy the M5 Competition. __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

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srvrf 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Indiana Watch: PP/AP Posts: 2,075	I just leased a M550i. I’m 52 and despite loving the M cars (I’ve driven many of them at the M Track Days and my dealer) the ride is just too harsh. I think that for those who want a more sporty looking and better performance car, the M___i models are great. It is plenty fast (0-60 in 3.6 seconds) and very comfortable. Great daily driver. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 December 2020, 10:05 AM	#38
ckaynyc "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 753	Two completely different vehicles.

24 December 2020, 10:10 AM	#39
MrGoat 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Real Name: Goat Location: Southwest Florida Watch: 16613 Posts: 4,788	Lease- M car. Buying- Lexus. As other have stated BMW has lost a lot in reliability as it seems they’ve shifted to vehicles for lease rather than purchase. I wouldn’t own a 2005 or newer BMW without it being leased or under an iron clad CPO warranty. Unfortunately they’re not what they used to be. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

25 December 2020, 08:52 AM	#43
drgoro "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 816	I’ve sworn off BMW. In my experience they do not stand by their product. Get the Lexus.

10 January 2021, 08:15 AM	#47
BNA/LION 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,206	Pretty much a freak accident. One of the turbo fans hit the casing, sent metal fragments into the engine and it lost compression. BMW's are good cars and the M's are Fantastic! IMHO __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

18 January 2021, 11:25 AM	#48
favre12rodgers Banned Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: WI Posts: 173	I have a 2019 M5 and it’s been great. I drive a lot, too.....I’ve had it a year and it has 25k miles on it already. I think the only issue I’ve had was with a door handle (which was fixed under warranty). I had a 2018 M550i for 2 years before the M5 and it was great through 45k miles. The G30/F90 chassis has been solid. I had a M6 Gran Coupe before that and it’s night and day due to the AWD in terms of the power. In terms of Lexus, they were really at the top of their game back when I owned them (early 2000s). They are all pretty pedestrian now, including the LC. I wouldn’t buy one now.

20 January 2021, 05:35 AM	#49
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20 January 2021, 06:05 AM	#50
socialpro "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: Alex Watch: Rolex \|\| Panerai Posts: 1,348	I would vote M5 out of the two. Never been a fan of Lexus, especially the LC500. But honestly as several others members mentioned, I would step down to either the 550 or 540 for a daily. I had an RS7 for ~ 1 year as a daily and it just becomes too much car to be just racking on miles on (I drive 20K miles a year) - especially fighting through freeway traffic etc. I simultaneously had an A6 Diesel that turned into my DD and was a significantly easier car to live with day to day. Eventually sold the RS7 are it was good at many things, great at nothing!!

20 January 2021, 08:08 AM	#51
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	The drop between a 550 and M5 isn't incredibly great iirc? Is Mercedes an option? They have the E63s which I believe uses a twin turbo twin scroll v8 paired with a 48v starter/generator/hybrid boost that makes it really smooth. I've heard they are pumping up that eboost system significantly.

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