Patek Philippe vs. A Lange & Söhne>>>>>>>>>

[mps354]

i think there is room in most collections for both. I think each excel in different areas

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by L-16610

Ask people for the most famous painter.
You will not get 1 answer, some will say Van Gogh, others will answer Picasso, or Pollock, or Monet, or Roy Lichtenstein, ...

Ask people for the most famous writer
The same result, some will say Shakespeare, or Mark Twain, or Confisius, Rowling, Stephen King , ...

Ask people for the most famous cooks
Again, some will answer Escoffier, Heston Blumenthal, Ferran Adria, ...


Now, ask peole to name the best and most well known watch brand in the world
90% or more will answer Patek
Or look at the auctions. Already decades Patek is on top
Those who don't know much about watches will probably answer Rolex LOL

This is no coincidence.


Don't get me wrong, I love Lange, Vacheron, Breguet and a lot of others too
But Patek just gives you that something Extra

Maybe a Mercedes S600 , a Jaguar XJ, a BMW 750 ... are great car.
But they will never have the meaning as a Rolls Royce

Agree 100%. Besides even I know Rolls Royce is good because all the Kardashians have them!!! Jokes aside is a pretty futile thread as I have 3 PP but would like an ALS. Not because one brand is better than the other but I prefer the ALS perpetual over PP from aesthetics perspective... That's all

[lapince]

Originally Posted by psv

Not to be culturally insensitive but there is something not so appealing with a German watch named Adolf...

Wait, the A in ALS stands for Adolf??????

SHIT you're right HAHAHAHAHAHA ok the datograph perpetual is still one of my grail watches but that is kinda weird to have a german watch named Adolf

[Le Chef]

Originally Posted by lapince

Wait, the A in ALS stands for Adolf??????

SHIT you're right HAHAHAHAHAHA ok the datograph perpetual is still one of my grail watches but that is kinda weird to have a german watch named Adolf

The company was named for its founder who was born 200 years ago before there was any negativity attached to the name. You should study history and not be surprised by this. You have other examples like the word "gay" and the word "Vichy" which back in history were perfectly acceptable words that have only been tainted in certain quarters in very recent history.

[AK797]

I like sports/dress watches rather than traditional lug and leather dress watches so I prefer PP currently, but I would be very interested to see some sportier Lange models with open casebacks and not the 3/4 plate.

[lapince]

Lange make dress pieces with some having a very small sporty DNA, datograph and Zeitwerk, Patek has a huge choice of dress pieces and grand complications, much more than Lange, plus sporty pieces, Nautilus and Aquanaut, none is better, for the same kind of piece, a 5270 from PP and a datograph perpetual from Lange, the quality and finition is the same, very high in each case, I do have a slight preference for some hand wound ALS movements, but their auto ones are not super, a rotor redesign would do no harm, I have owned 2 PP's and will get 2 more, and probably no Lange because they are too dressy for me, now saying salesmen prefer ALS was quite ridiculous it's true...

[pd999]

Apples vs Oranges

[KarlS]

We all know a maybach is well made and same price as a Rolls....but it isn't a Rolls

[MTROIS]

Originally Posted by KarlS

We all know a maybach is well made and same price as a Rolls....but it isn't a Rolls

Depends who you ask...

Different tastes out there for sure.
While I appreciate what Patek represents in horological history, there is no denying that Lange & Söhne have been shaking things up for the last 20 years or so.
Competition is always a good thing... Otherwise people get complacent. Just human nature...

[watch_the_time]

Ive been thinking about this a lot lately. If you look at the level of finishing from Lange and recent innovation it's hard to beat. Most recently, the new Saxonia Moonphase is the same price as the Calatrava! However, every time I see the 5205r I rethink everything. What a toss up...!




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[gav329]

I don't think anyone can say which is better as it's a matter of choice and indeed taste. I prefer Patek to Lange, they are not to my taste at all but then not all the pateks are either. The nautilus, aquanaut and world time are the ones I like. However it's all personal choice. Just enjoy your watches .


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[Alford78]

Classical styled PM dress watch = PP every day all day over every other major watch brand and just about 99% of the Independents. There is just something about the shapes of the cases and clean dials of assorted varieties that is unmatched by "the others". It's sad for me though because it honestly makes owning watches way too expensive since I really love dress watches that can be dressed both down and up to 11. The finishing is more than satisfactory for me and don't really care about what my own eyes cannot see. I have a loupe that I use to set micro bevel edges on my knives with a professional sharpening kit but have never once looked at a movement with it as I'm afraid it would just ruin some of the fun that still exists with other manufactures and most likely even PP too in places.

A Lange is one of my favorite watches that I've yet to purchase but it's totally different. Sure, I like some ALS better than some PP but in very different ways. Two totally different companies focused on two entirely different style of watches but have some general competition with their higher end pieces.

So guess I'd have to say PP just because if I had unlimited funds I'd own more PPs than ALSs. With that being said, that's only because PP offers so many more and has a slew of classical styled dress watches.

[enjoythemusic]

Years ago I'd have picked Patek without much thought, yet after a few decades of enjoying mechanical timepieces would now prefer the Lange.

[R99]

Patek makes beautiful cases while lange makes the sexiest movements.
Just compare the caseback of 5170 and the 1815 chronograph.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by R99

Patek makes beautiful cases while lange makes the sexiest movements.
Just compare the caseback of 5170 and the 1815 chronograph.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by r99

patek makes beautiful cases while lange makes the sexiest movements.
Just compare the caseback of 5170 and the 1815 chronograph.

5170

[subtona]

1815

Different styles but for me not a clear winner

ALS is a bit more ornate where the Patek is more traditional.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by subtona

1815

Different styles but for me not a clear winner

ALS is a bit more ornate where the Patek is more traditional.

I think the fact that the ALS is thicker gives the movement some 3D additional depth and obviously more parts because of the PR and date but that thickness is also a negative to the 5170 and when looking at the dial of the 5170, the knees can feel a bit weak!

[cervantes]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I think the fact that the ALS is thicker gives the movement some 3D additional depth and obviously more parts because of the PR and date but that thickness is also a negative to the 5170 and when looking at the dial of the 5170, the knees can feel a bit weak!

5170 and 1815 are almost the same exact dimensions. And a better comparison than with the datograph (flyback, PR indicator, Big Date).

[Michael M.]

Resurrection of a thread I wrote when I couldn't tell you the difference between a 15202ST and a 5711P

[el1125]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Resurrection of a thread I wrote when I couldn't tell you the difference between a 15202ST and a 5711P

You learnt a lot in 6 years I see..🙉🙈🙊

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by cervantes

5170 and 1815 are almost the same exact dimensions. And a better comparison than with the datograph (flyback, PR indicator, Big Date).

Except the 1815 is significantly less money but will concede a bit sterile

[el1125]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Except the 1815 is significantly less money but will concede a bit sterile

Agreed. Looks quite boring to me vs 5170...

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Le Chef

The company was named for its founder who was born 200 years ago before there was any negativity attached to the name. You should study history and not be surprised by this. You have other examples like the word "gay" and the word "Vichy" which back in history were perfectly acceptable words that have only been tainted in certain quarters in very recent history.

LOL Thank you, I did in fact study history and it is one of my passions, I read only history books and at least 1 a week, and I don't have an IQ of 20, so I understand that the founder was born way before there was any negativity to it, one of my grand uncles was named Adolphe, the french version of the name, but since basically they were "reborn" not so long ago after the dark ages of USSR, yeah they were unlucky enough to be on the wrong side when the sides where drawn, also knew that, I would have just put on the dials Lange & Sohne, it is just an anecdote but I find it funny.
About Vichy yes quite right, we still have mineral water called Vichy. About gay I don't really get your point, before it was a word describing happy people, and we still use it in France, "il est très gai" written differently but sounds the same, now it is more referred to homosexuals but I don't see in what way it tainted the word, apart if you are part of that "church" in the US which make these anti gay demonstrations, maybe in the US it is not considered normal to say the word gay nowadays, things change so fast, but in France the normal way is to say gay or homo and has nothing negative about it.

About Lange as I said I find it funny but in no way would it stop me from getting one of their watches if I wanted to

[lapince]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Except the 1815 is significantly less money but will concede a bit sterile

I will choose a 5170 over a 1815 any day, but will choose a datograph over the 5170 any other day as well

[cervantes]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Except the 1815 is significantly less money but will concede a bit sterile

I like my boutique edition 1815. The blue is a beauty. And the older 1815 is also real nice.


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[KarlS]

Originally Posted by cervantes

I like my boutique edition 1815. The blue is a beauty. And the older 1815 is also real nice.


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Very attractive, I tried it on in the Salon in Hong Kong. Was really nice

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by KarlS

We all know a maybach is well made and same price as a Rolls....but it isn't a Rolls

ALS is more like Pagani.

What Pagani did with the Zonda is what ALS did with the Datograph.

[Racerdj]

This thread has new life for sure. It's a common debate. Both make stunning watches and can both exist in one's collection. I was not aware of the resale of Lange until last summer. What an expensive lesson and I bought new 30% off.

[cervantes]

Originally Posted by Racerdj

This thread has new life for sure. It's a common debate. Both make stunning watches and can both exist in one's collection. I was not aware of the resale of Lange until last summer. What an expensive lesson and I bought new 30% off.

Yes, for sure. Though Patek isn't Patek so much these days either, other than the nautilus models. Rolex, both vintage and modern, seems to be holding strongest in the second hand market.