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A Lange & Söhne | 25 | 40.98% | |
Patek Philippe | 36 | 59.02% | |
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16 May 2016, 08:50 PM | #91 | |
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All I am saying when you are choosing a perpetual Datograph versus PP 5270 you have to wonder whether to stay with tried and proven or take a leap of faith with the new ALS. Both great watches...one is the Rolls Royce... |
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16 May 2016, 11:38 PM | #92 | |
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I appreciate both brands, two favorites, they both have their strengths. |
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17 May 2016, 12:15 AM | #93 | |
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I would really go crazy and either have an attack or have a little chat with the manager and sales person who sold me the watch, it's probably legal but for me it is a scam and should be a criminal offense, I mean by lying just to sell a watch you know the guy is going to loose instantly the moment he walks out the door a huge sum of money. Lange is a great brand, love the Datograph line, and can be a great value, but on the grey market, but I feel for the poor guys who bought retail and then sold them Did the Big Date appear first in Lange or in VC Overseas? I will never understand why they made the new VCO without it and made it like ROC, that was the best feature of the watch, did they think the if they did the same date format as AP they would have the same sales as them? For me it basically ruined the watch, what a stupid thing to do IMO... |
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17 May 2016, 12:23 AM | #94 |
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I had an interesting conversation with one of my ADs that sell both Patek and ALS. For the AD, they sell Patek watches with much more ease than ALS, meaning an ALS can sit around for several months. He believes the quality of the watches made are quite comparable and both excellent. He mentioned the case design of ALS watches is very similar across their watches without much variation. The AD and I didn't discuss pricing, but as others have mentioned it is common for ALS watch to take a large hit on price after it leaves the AD, which makes it hard for watch enthusiasts to buy a Lange watch from an AD.
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17 May 2016, 12:43 AM | #97 |
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17 May 2016, 12:45 AM | #98 |
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17 May 2016, 02:01 AM | #99 | |
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But I'll tell you that I know quite a few serious collectors of Pateks, including some what we might call 'mega' collectors, and many of them have shied away from Patek's contemporary models, excluding the nautilus. The newer movement chronos - 5170, 5270, and 5204 have not been widely accepted by collectors (mainly because of aesthetic reasons). Patek has repeatedly tried to alter the designs but the architecture of the movements have hamstrung them. Patek obviously has much more variance in design and style than Lange. Lange is almost like Panerai in a way - they have a very distinct and uniform design aesthetic across their lines. Teutonic, clean, and refined. That has it's charm, and the quality of both the movements and dials are extraordinary. But it also has inherent limitations in appeal. Though from speaking to Lange, they don't want to brach out into Pateks arena and are quite happy with their unique place in the world of horology. You won't find an integrated bracelet sports-watch from Lange anytime soon! |
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17 May 2016, 02:14 AM | #100 | |
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Agree with the idea that the newer movements are slow to be accepted but I expect they will find their way. The subdials being off center has presented some challenges, more so for the PC/chrono than the chrono only. The PC chrono (5270) have evolved much since the original release, the new models look more balanced than the originals If we look back to the 5070, the movement presented a huge problem when being used in a 42mm case, the designers at Patek masterfully resolved that issue and created one of the most loved watches in pateks history. Collectors will come around, I suspect one of the biggest concerns is production numbers... That is what can really put someone off buying the big items for the long haul.
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I'm definately a sports watch guy and the 5711 Nautilus has been my grail for a few years now. I've wristdrived a few Pateks and was duly impreseed, but I was blown away when I got to try this baby on...
I'm still thinking the Nautilus (or the new blue VCO) is the watch I'll buy under $30K, but if I had $65-$70 I'd pick up a Datograph up/dn from a trusted seller in a heart beat. Also, if I ever decide to purchase a true dress watch this would most likely be my choice... I guess that means I'd choose AlS over PP given the choice, but not at retail pricing. |
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I also agree that the placement of the sub dials is less egregious on the chrono -only models, especially the newer 5170s (which are quite beautiful and I'm sorely tempted to jump on). Though I think the 5270 is a mess. And it bothers me that Patek had to lose the tachymeter and pulsometer on a manual chrono just to get the spacing of the sub dials to be better aligned. Whiles I'm not a huge fan of the 5070 as it is, I think the 5970 is downright perfect. Be that as it may, I don't see serious collectors gravitating towards the newer models, including the 5905, 5327, 5960 steel, etc... any time soon. Vintage models are just too hot now. Minute repeaters and split second chronos have their own specific markets and move according to their own internal logic. I have a friend who owns quite a few very valuable vintage Pateks and a 5970 and 5004. The only recent models he was interested in was the 5950 steel and new 5930. He went for the 5930. (the case on that watch is out of this world beautiful). But he would not look seriously at the 5270 at all. And I heard some rumblings about the designers involved in the new models too. But for 'normal' buyers, the new models are attractive, of course. What that means in terms of long-term retention of value is anybodys guess. |
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17 May 2016, 07:10 AM | #103 |
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Patek will always be Patek, they are from Switzerland and have been independent and around for 175 years!!... Lange, sorry folks is not there yet.
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A few collectors, including myself, have been shying away from Patek so you are correct. One very large collector I know with very nice rare pieces is discreetly eliminating virtually all of his. Over the past few years it seems more and more have been less than enthused with the company's direction. Of course wealthy sheiks and the like will buy whatever allocation of the most limited pieces, and that seems to be more the goal than properly servicing their normal production products in a timely manner. Wish you guys all the best, and hopefully Patek reduces production to allocate more resources in providing proper customer service and care.
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Completely agree on the 5950, spectacular watch. 5930 is one of my favorite of the current line up, though I'm suspect of what its future will hold. All I will add is the 5370 is quite a special piece as well.
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Yeah well you didn't try the worse Lange around now did you it is clearly the most stunning, followed by the "normal" datograph perpetual, sure it doesn't have the tourbillon but still quite stunning, I find these 2 amazing but there is one thing, they could have done the moon phase a little bigger, the mini moon phase is the odd thing about that watch, but again very stunning pieces. Just out of curiosity how much is the dato PC with tourbillon? Around 250k or more?
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17 May 2016, 12:02 PM | #108 |
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Done with Patek
Selling mine due to poor service, poor finishing, and poor attitude. Happily moving the sale proceeds to AP and Lange. A company can rest on its laurels for only so long.
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Ah, I meant the 5370! He chose that one over the 5950. Though the 5930 also is real nice.
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17 May 2016, 12:29 PM | #110 | |
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I also mentioned Lange's unique aesthetic and Patek's versatility in design. I own 5 Pateks, so don't get me wrong I am not bashing the brand nor a Lange fanboy. But I have seen collectors not move forward on the newer models and have heard plenty about it from others too. |
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Sorry- Lange is nice but nowhere near Patek. |
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17 May 2016, 02:06 PM | #113 |
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I'm with you
As soon as I can get rid off my Pateks I'm getting a Datograph and an AP ROO Diver. That will make 3 Langes a brace of AP's. Seems like the best way to go for me. Let me know if you want to get rid of your crappy AP's and maybe you would like my Pateks.
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Safari and bumblebee here. Sold my Grand Prix a little while ago. Which Pateks u have? Feel free to pm me.
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PM me with what you have on the Pateks...i am always sniffing for a bargain
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17 May 2016, 07:13 PM | #116 | |
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Service improvements are overdue but will the new facility also lead to even higher production numbers? Perhaps the simplest answer is to buy what we want to wear?
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When I read about the $500m building, that leads to two things: price increase and/or higher production (or both). |
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