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View Poll Results: What brand do you prefer more?
A Lange & Söhne 25 40.98%
Patek Philippe 36 59.02%
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Old 17 March 2017, 06:02 PM   #181
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The beauty of a Lange is seen thru the case back but its hockey puck style case seem primitive or rather traditional in the eyes of some.
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Old 17 March 2017, 06:16 PM   #182
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From my humble collection

Love the symmetry and simplicity of the dial
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Old 8 April 2017, 12:45 AM   #183
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Just read through the whole thread trying to research into whether I should get another PP or Lange! After an hour and a half or so, I still can't decide ��
On a side note though, I was wondering what would be a decent discount rate I can get on a Lange (Datograph to be specific).
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Old 8 April 2017, 02:24 AM   #184
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Not really

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A. Lange is certainly one of the small, elite group of the very best watchmakers, but Patek reigns alone at the top. Always has and I suspect always will. (I have to say it seems a bit perverse to view lower sales figures and lack of a sports model as indicators of a superior brand.)
There are independents which blow PP out of the water. Smith. DuFour and Grubel-Forsey are a few. Voutilinien (sp) also comes to mind.

PP is not alone at the top by any margin.
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Old 8 April 2017, 02:30 AM   #185
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There are independents which blow PP out of the water. Smith. DuFour and Grubel-Forsey are a few. Voutilinien (sp) also comes to mind.

PP is not alone at the top by any margin.
Nice comparison. He questions a Datograph you suggest RWS starting at $125k, 4 year waiting list 10 pieces a year. Dufour Simplicity going for over $250k and no longer being made, Voutilainen starting at CHF 72000 and 32 pieces a year and lastly GF who I think starts a basic model at $165k but happy to be corrected. You then compare that to PP at 60 000 p.a. And varying in price from $10k to $2.5 mil. Perhaps a better comparison would be Journe, Lange & Heyne, Grossman, Groenefekd and a few others. Cheers
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Old 8 April 2017, 02:36 AM   #186
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Perhaps a better comparison would be Journe, Lange & Heyne, Grossman, Groenefekd and a few others. Cheers
I agree with you Karl.

What would you say about something like the MB&F LM101 which was originally introduced at $59k US and finished by Kari? Yes, they're made only in 30/metal however they are made each year and with a limited number of MB&F dealers perhaps within reach for normal collectors.

As for comparisons of Dato to 5070 as in the now 7 year old OP, that is apples and oranges. A more apt comparison would be 5070 or 5170 versus the 1815 chrono; in this case based on price alone I would tend to go with the 1815 as it can be had for much much less. If price was not a consideration I'd probably go with the Patek.
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Old 8 April 2017, 03:19 AM   #187
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I agree with you Karl.

What would you say about something like the MB&F LM101 which was originally introduced at $59k US and finished by Kari? Yes, they're made only in 30/metal however they are made each year and with a limited number of MB&F dealers perhaps within reach for normal collectors.

As for comparisons of Dato to 5070 as in the now 7 year old OP, that is apples and oranges. A more apt comparison would be 5070 or 5170 versus the 1815 chrono; in this case based on price alone I would tend to go with the 1815 as it can be had for much much less. If price was not a consideration I'd probably go with the Patek.
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There a lot of brands out there I know nothing about like MB&F, AP, VC de Buthane etc all who make fantastic watches. I was also pointing out that the comparison was Faberge egg to a quail egg!! Cheers
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Old 25 March 2018, 04:45 PM   #188
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A. Lang & Sohne for me. Why? Well, the Pateks aren't inspiring to me until you get around $60K. But, there are some Langs that I love in the mid 30s.


One more thing: Patek Phillippe loses 10 point for the Nautilus....Yuk
FULLY AGREE with both of these points (full disclosure: I'm a dress watch/yellow gold lover). The Pateks I like are out of my price range but the ALSs I like can be reached with a little stretching. Dropping $25K for a used example, I wonder which hold its value better over the next 20 years?
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Old 25 March 2018, 08:14 PM   #189
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ALS can make any complicated movement with superb finishing but simply not watch cases.
Any model comes in a case made from apparent sliced precious metal pipes. No contours to talk about unlike any pateks

Having said that, it’s my other fav watch brand for its history and workmanship.
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Old 25 March 2018, 08:17 PM   #190
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ALS can make any complicated movement with superb finishing but simply not watch cases.
Any model comes in a case made from apparent sliced precious metal pipes. No contours to talk about unlike any pateks

Having said that, it’s my other fav watch brand for its history and workmanship.
aren't they just a movement company anyway? Not sure, but i thought they source everything else and only actually make movements. Doesn't really matter, but its interesting. Anyone know for sure?
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:05 AM   #191
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aren't they just a movement company anyway? Not sure, but i thought they source everything else and only actually make movements. Doesn't really matter, but its interesting. Anyone know for sure?
Am I understanding this correctly; ALS offers fully in-house movements, but everything else is externally supplied? If so, to what extent? For example are they even polishing their cases? Interested to hear more!
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:18 AM   #192
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Am I understanding this correctly; ALS offers fully in-house movements, but everything else is externally supplied? If so, to what extent? For example are they even polishing their cases? Interested to hear more!
yeah, but i dont know a lot of details... just this:

"Lange is a movement maker, which means the rest of the watches are produced by other companies to Lange's specifications. These other parts include the case, dial, strap, and other housing elements of the watches." https://www.ablogtowatch.com/a-lange...uring-process/

So basically they are all about the movements and not so much into the manufacturing of other components. I kind of like them more for being so specialized and playing to their strength.
I haven't heard a lot about it though, so i dont know much more than this article.
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:24 AM   #193
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My biggest gripe about Lange is that all their case design is the same.
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:25 AM   #194
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Curious if Michael M. still feels this way 8 years on?
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:26 AM   #195
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Curious if Michael M. still feels this way 8 years on?
always good for a historical bump... its always the 1 post guys who do it though
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:29 AM   #196
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always good for a historical bump... its always the 1 post guys who do it though
Oh indeed.
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:32 AM   #197
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yeah, but i dont know a lot of details... just this:

"Lange is a movement maker, which means the rest of the watches are produced by other companies to Lange's specifications. These other parts include the case, dial, strap, and other housing elements of the watches." https://www.ablogtowatch.com/a-lange...uring-process/

So basically they are all about the movements and not so much into the manufacturing of other components. I kind of like them more for being so specialized and playing to their strength.
I haven't heard a lot about it though, so i dont know much more than this article.
This is extremely interesting in my view! Thank you Tyler!
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Old 26 March 2018, 12:59 AM   #198
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This thread really is a Voyage of the Banned.
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Old 26 March 2018, 08:20 AM   #199
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Old 26 March 2018, 08:32 AM   #200
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Just finished reading this very interesting thread... I also noticed several members that were banned as well... Guess some heated discussion occurred at some point.

Any ways... Nice to learn about these two great brands...
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Old 26 March 2018, 08:52 AM   #201
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Both brands are great.

Just in case anyone hasn't said it, Dufour says ALS has the best finishing of any mainline brand. I mention that because it's always in the back of my mind. He also said that the Breguet La Tradition was wonderful. I know it's best to follow one's own heart, but the next best is to look at whatever Dufour likes!
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Old 26 March 2018, 10:17 AM   #202
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Which brand do you like more and why? Fact: A Lange makes aprox. 5,000 watches a year, and Patek makes about 50,00 watches a year!

Why I Prefer A Lange over Patek: First of all, A Lange makes almost a tenth as many watches as patek does. Second, almost all high-end watch salesman, store owners, and experts prefer A Lange. I also like A Lange's movements more than patek's movements. For instance, a patek 5070 is equal to the A Lange Datograph, but I believe the A Lange styling is more timeless and interesting. I also think A Lange's movements are better quality and more beautiful than Pateks but, that's my opinion. I'm not saying patek is not a good brand, in fact it is one of my favorites, but I prefer A Lange over patek.
I would not put two cents in anything "high-end" watch salesman say. You probably know more about watches than they do. You have a passion, for the most part, they have a job.
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Old 26 March 2018, 10:23 AM   #203
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sorry to dissapoint you but it is not an upgrade !

The gold chatons, each his own but I don't like them at all. Blue screws ? The back of a watch is not a coloring page

The hack function, who cares ?I -This is not a a thing which will decide if a watch is haute horlogerie or not. If Patek wants them to hack , they would hack

I don't know how afterservice works for you but I do know a few people in Europe who have Patek watches and in Europe it works perfect.

Also know that Patek get year after year more than 40.000 watches which need a service. So I think it is normal this takes some time.
I doubt that about the hacking mechanism, PP would love to have it, its not where they are mechanically at the moment for whatever reason.
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Old 27 March 2018, 04:49 AM   #204
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Personally I feel like Lange is more of a watchlover's brand as opposed to a watchmaker brand wherein they aren't creating artificial demand by limiting production of non PM sport watches...

Plus raised white gold numerals are always stunning
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Old 18 June 2018, 05:30 PM   #205
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I would be keen to know people's thoughts now.
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Old 19 June 2018, 05:23 AM   #206
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This is an interesting thread to pop up eight years later. I just read it from the beginning. Although there is the usual grousing and trolling, there is a lot more substance here than in many current threads. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Old 19 June 2018, 05:27 AM   #207
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Old 19 June 2018, 10:58 AM   #208
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Platinum Dato 1st gen recently auctioned at 37.5, at that price it’s certainly competitive. I used to own one a few years ago, nice watch.
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Platinum Dato 1st gen recently auctioned at 37.5, at that price it’s certainly competitive. I used to own one a few years ago, nice watch.

Total; post Covid, we would die to get it at that price.


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