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4 September 2018, 05:26 PM | #61 |
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And the 5320 case is stamped. Excuse being to give sharper edges...i think to do more quicker!!! But then even RWS (i loved the way he made the case out of 3 bands and that sold me on being truly hsnd made) now seems to mill with cnc. Oh well
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Patek, at 50,000 pieces a year is going to be very different than Roger's 10-12 a year. The issue is how Patek has changed as it's gone from 5,000 to 50,000. Although I'm not a lange fanboy, I do have the sense that Lange is, in it's own way, now similar to what patek used to be in terms of dedication to hand finishing across its entire line. Patek is still great, but maybe a different Patek than before. Understanding that, and the when and how of it, is what I would like to understand better. |
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^^^ agree but with only 12 pieces a year it would be nice uf RWS did handmake his case versus mill. CnC is necessary for small pieces where accuracy is important
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I think you should see his YouTube videos. You'll see that Roger's case making is far from automated and be assured that there is good reason for everything he does as a watchmaker. He's not cutting corners. Have a look and see.
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I have been lucky enough to examine all 3 pieces together with my loupe. My photography skills are not up to the task but owner extroadinare Gary G has done some great comparison shots in his articles for Quillandpad.
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I agree high end Pateks may have better finishes such as black polish on the hammers of a minute repeater, however they are not immune to mistakes. Someone already linked this but I will link it again.
https://www.watchprosite.com/patek-p...01/1525270127/ |
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Really interesting discussion, thanks for the insight guys and much more reading to be done!
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An update: A member of watchprosite kindly posted pictures of his perpetual calendar and time only Pateks with some movement shots.
"All pictures on the left is from a 5140 with 240 Q movement, while all pictures on the right is from a 5120 with the base 240 movement. The watch with the 240 Q movement costs almost 4 times of the watch with the base 240 movement costs, this is obviously mainly due to the perpetual calendar complication. But is there any difference in finish between the two?" The result is that you can see the vertical lines of mechanical anglage on both movements. |
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Well, finissage does seem to vary more with Patek today (circa 70,000 pieces per year) than with Lange (circa 5,000 pieces per year) or Philippe Stern era Patek production.
The 5270P I examined in Geneva this year, however, did sport clearly better finishing than my 5270G-001 (built in 2011). Consistent with the price point theory from a few posts above mine, the movement finishing on my 2018 5204P-011 is very nice. More elaborate than my 2017 5320G or 2008 5450P. IMHO, all three pieces have equally exceptional design and execution on the dial, plus rate accuracy. Perhaps Thierry Stern has decided that labor cost for movement gingerbread will be spent and charged only on his highest-priced pieces? FP Journe offers very nice finissage, btw. |
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Finishing quality was recently discussed on the Purists Pro website. There were a few people complaining of falling standards at Patek, but no one could back it up.
Well worth a read https://www.watchprosite.com/patek-p...0331.10258546/ |
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Just to save me trawling through all the posts, could you post a picture of two comparable movements (the same calibre would be ideal), one from “back in the past” and one modern? Thanks
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Challenge accepted, as the kids say. Here's a pic of the cal 215, one of Patek's previous gen workhorse movements. Notice how the ghostly apparition of the vertical lines of mechanical finishing appear in the lower level of finishing (they have been hand finished away) and the hand-finished anglage itself on the upper tier is flawless. I'll likely post this on watchprosite sometime, so thanks for pushing me to look. |
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That looks like a rattrapante, a grand complication. That's what all Patek movements should look like. This thread is about investigating how most Patek movements below a grand complication are not finished to this standard.
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Agreed!
Rusell996 has the splits engaged for the movement pic, thank you. |
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If you.look at PP Instagram accou t they have excellent videos on all aspects of the watch manufacture process including dials and bracelets.
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