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C0d · 21 November 2020, 03:52 AM

ADs make a fool out of all of us. They feed us lies and some of us actually believe them. Perhaps some of them are still genuine and run honest businesses but most of them are just milking the cash cow the best they can.
If you know the right people and can bring them the cash you can have anything.... They are required toremove stickers right?!?

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ferrissteve11 · 21 November 2020, 03:56 AM

Well, it is a FREE Market and people can charge what they want. And as long as people are paying the marked-up premiums prices will remain what they are. (High).
It's unfortunate for those that are true WIS and wish to enjoy a particular reference, but at the end of the day a Rolex is a want, not a need.

Masteryacht · 21 November 2020, 04:14 AM

Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way. Worst case scenario is I keep my money in my pocket instead of giving it to Rolex. I just don’t view that as a bad thing.

C0d · 21 November 2020, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Masteryacht

Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way.

Agreed.

Paul Thorpe had an interesting video (I am usually not a fan of his) asking what is the end game for Rolex? His opinion is that eventually Rolex will hammer the MSRP to Patek levels, cut off the middle line flippers and move Tudor to where Rolex are right now.

Interesting take but does seem like it has merit to it. Rolex can sell all the watches they have at a much higher MSRP than they are right now.

Stan Cooper · 21 November 2020, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Masteryacht

Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way. Worst case scenario is I keep my money in my pocket instead of giving it to Rolex. I just don’t view that as a bad thing.

Yeah, this! ^

pav1987 · 21 November 2020, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

ADs make a fool out of all of us. They feed us lies and some of us actually believe them. Perhaps some of them are still genuine and run honest businesses but most of them are just milking the cash cow the best they can.
If you know the right people and can bring them the cash you can have anything.... They are required toremove stickers right?!?

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Saw the exact same post. Seems like he/she edited the previous ad and removed which AD he purchased it from.

C0d · 21 November 2020, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pav1987

Saw the exact same post. Seems like he/she edited the previous ad and removed which AD he purchased it from.

Funny thing is, you can call the same AD and they will tell you they haven't seen such a watch in about 3 months now. As you know that in Vancouver they don't even put you on "the list".

AJMarcus · 21 November 2020, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

Agreed.

Paul Thorpe had an interesting video (I am usually not a fan of his) asking what is the end game for Rolex? His opinion is that eventually Rolex will hammer the MSRP to Patek levels, cut off the middle line flippers and move Tudor to where Rolex are right now.

Interesting take but does seem like it has merit to it. Rolex can sell all the watches they have at a much higher MSRP than they are right now.

I have to agree. I think that’s exactly where Rolex is headed. Just hope Tudor improves their bracelets by then.

C0d · 21 November 2020, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AJMarcus

I have to agree. I think that’s exactly where Rolex is headed. Just hope Tudor improves their bracelets by then.

And perhaps offer a different hour hand, the current one is

willywatch · 21 November 2020, 05:07 AM

Supply and demand do not blame Rolex for it.

Dan Pierce · 21 November 2020, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Masteryacht

Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way. Worst case scenario is I keep my money in my pocket instead of giving it to Rolex. I just don’t view that as a bad thing.

Brilliant!

dP

JParm · 21 November 2020, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by willywatch

Supply and demand do not blame Rolex for it.

This is such a simple (and true) answer that I just cannot fathom how people can't / won't understand it.

Free market, supply/demand, etc...

Do I want a Daytona? Of course. Do I blame Rolex for the current market value? Absolutely not.

It goes both ways - as an owner of a Hulk, 16710, etc., I'm happy with how my watches are currently valued today. It is what it is.

garyk · 21 November 2020, 05:38 AM

Somebody said yesterday, be content with what you have. Great advice, I'm there and I'll quit worrying about the dang AD and their alleged list I'm supposedly on...

aayates · 21 November 2020, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

And perhaps offer a different hour hand, the current one is

I agree; that hour hand is the worst part of that watch.

MRPWRPATX21 · 21 November 2020, 05:55 AM

Who cares- if someone wants to pay $20k for that Submariner, then let them.

Personally I'd rather have several 5-digit iterations over the current model or it's predecessor, so it's no skin off my back, but even if I was after one, I think I understand the dynamics of supply vs. demand well enough to not get too upset when every AD tells me I have to wait. Honestly, there are lots of stories about people getting the new Subs, anyhow, so I don't think it's impossible to get one if you really tried.

Etschell · 21 November 2020, 06:00 AM

you act like secondary sellers dont resticker watches. dont be shocked.

javier · 21 November 2020, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

ADs make a fool out of all of us. They feed us lies and some of us actually believe them. Perhaps some of them are still genuine and run honest businesses but most of them are just milking the cash cow the best they can.
If you know the right people and can bring them the cash you can have anything.... They are required toremove stickers right?!?

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It is funny. The black glove, what for ?

loudmofo · 21 November 2020, 06:05 AM

This is what happens when people on here tell others to just go Grey,i just picked up this watch last week it took me 2 months ,And i paid retail $9100 at the Ad.

Calatrava r · 21 November 2020, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

Agreed.

Paul Thorpe had an interesting video (I am usually not a fan of his) asking what is the end game for Rolex? His opinion is that eventually Rolex will hammer the MSRP to Patek levels, cut off the middle line flippers and move Tudor to where Rolex are right now.

Interesting take but does seem like it has merit to it. Rolex can sell all the watches they have at a much higher MSRP than they are right now.

Rolex is simply not in the Patek space. When Rolex puts on display backs and does beautifully hand finished movements, they will compete at a higher level.

Calatrava r · 21 November 2020, 06:12 AM

Rolex cannot meet the current demand, so the after market premium reflects that. Buy or do not buy is all you can do. But never worry about it. Not worth it.

fsprow · 21 November 2020, 06:15 AM

EASY
1. Find the watch you want.
2. If not available immediately at an AD (unless expected in a few weeks/months), look over offerings by trusted resellers.
3. If "'worth it to you" (subjective) negotiate and buy.
4. Get it tomorrow.
5. Enjoy your watch. Seek other frustrations if needed!

goliat · 21 November 2020, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by willywatch

Supply and demand do not blame Rolex for it.

Supply and demand? No. Artificial scarcity? Hell yes.

Jocke · 21 November 2020, 06:37 AM

This is one of the reasons why I have not looking at Rolex for the last 10 years. There are a lot of other brands that treat you as a valued customer.

loudmofo · 21 November 2020, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fsprow

EASY
1. Find the watch you want.
2. If not available immediately at an AD (unless expected in a few weeks/months), look over offerings by trusted resellers.
3. If "'worth it to you" (subjective) negotiate and buy.
4. Get it tomorrow.
5. Enjoy your watch. Seek other frustrations if needed!

your trusted resellers is the issue here.

fgress3969 · 21 November 2020, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

And perhaps offer a different hour hand, the current one is

indeed

fsprow · 21 November 2020, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by loudmofo

your trusted resellers is the issue here.

Just look over those on this site and the feedback on them. I have used several with 100% satisfaction. Very nice people too.

drrd · 21 November 2020, 06:50 AM

OP, you don't even need a watch and you certainly don't need a Rolex.

If this stuff upsets you then forget it and move on because it could not be more trivial.

It's really tempting to say this in just a couple of words but I'll leave it there.

Harry-57 · 21 November 2020, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by C0d

ADs make a fool out of all of us

By all means speak for yourself but please don't presume to speak for all of us.

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Originally Posted by C0d

most of them are just milking the cash cow

In business, if you have a cash cow, you milk it. That's what it is for. The trick is not be too smug or obvious about it. Some ADs are and some aren't. Best not to take it personally, because it isn't.

C0d · 21 November 2020, 07:45 AM

1. I am not offended by any of this. I can't afford most of these watches even they were available at MSRP.

2. The fact that some here think this is how a free market should operate is exactly why we have two faction in all faucets of life. I will leave it at that.

3. The post had more to do with AD stickers and the fact that Rolex insists that everyone is abiding by their protocols which obviously isn't the case.

Anyways, those who think this is fair game and they want to play, hey more power to you.

Those who think this isn't they are already refusing to go the Rolex way so good for them.

The fact that everyone talks about it proves that there is more to it than the simple "supply and demand" drum.

jrbar-on · 21 November 2020, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Masteryacht

Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way. Worst case scenario is I keep my money in my pocket instead of giving it to Rolex. I just don’t view that as a bad thing.

Yeah, free market ... BLAH BLAH BLAH

Doesn't mean we have to like it or deal with it.

This is by far the best approach IMHO.

Jonathan

21 November 2020, 03:52 AM	#1
C0d Banned Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Kanata Watch: Dog Posts: 815	When will Rolex Stop this? ADs make a fool out of all of us. They feed us lies and some of us actually believe them. Perhaps some of them are still genuine and run honest businesses but most of them are just milking the cash cow the best they can. If you know the right people and can bring them the cash you can have anything.... They are required toremove stickers right?!? 094300.jpg

21 November 2020, 05:38 AM	#13
garyk 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Gary Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 11,038	Somebody said yesterday, be content with what you have. Great advice, I'm there and I'll quit worrying about the dang AD and their alleged list I'm supposedly on... __________________

21 November 2020, 06:00 AM	#16
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	you act like secondary sellers dont resticker watches. dont be shocked. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

21 November 2020, 06:37 AM	#23
Jocke 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,514	This is one of the reasons why I have not looking at Rolex for the last 10 years. There are a lot of other brands that treat you as a valued customer. __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

21 November 2020, 03:56 AM	#2
ferrissteve11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 1,115	Well, it is a FREE Market and people can charge what they want. And as long as people are paying the marked-up premiums prices will remain what they are. (High). It's unfortunate for those that are true WIS and wish to enjoy a particular reference, but at the end of the day a Rolex is a want, not a need.

21 November 2020, 04:14 AM	#3
Masteryacht "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: USA Watch: 16622,BLNR,116500 Posts: 974	Just adjust your behavior. I have. I’m put off by it and therefore not looking to buy, not calling my AD anymore, not going by my AD, etc. Its just too much of a headache. Things will change and I will be interested in buying again or they won’t. I’m fine either way. Worst case scenario is I keep my money in my pocket instead of giving it to Rolex. I just don’t view that as a bad thing.

21 November 2020, 05:07 AM	#10
willywatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: denmark Posts: 154	Supply and demand do not blame Rolex for it.

21 November 2020, 05:55 AM	#15
MRPWRPATX21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 343	Who cares- if someone wants to pay $20k for that Submariner, then let them. Personally I'd rather have several 5-digit iterations over the current model or it's predecessor, so it's no skin off my back, but even if I was after one, I think I understand the dynamics of supply vs. demand well enough to not get too upset when every AD tells me I have to wait. Honestly, there are lots of stories about people getting the new Subs, anyhow, so I don't think it's impossible to get one if you really tried.

21 November 2020, 06:05 AM	#18
loudmofo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: In a rolex store Posts: 113	This is what happens when people on here tell others to just go Grey,i just picked up this watch last week it took me 2 months ,And i paid retail $9100 at the Ad.

21 November 2020, 06:12 AM	#20
Calatrava r 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: United States Watch: Rolex and Patek Posts: 10,600	Rolex cannot meet the current demand, so the after market premium reflects that. Buy or do not buy is all you can do. But never worry about it. Not worth it.

21 November 2020, 06:15 AM	#21
fsprow "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Frank Location: Dallas,NY,Colo. Watch: Patek 5168, 5170P Posts: 2,405	EASY 1. Find the watch you want. 2. If not available immediately at an AD (unless expected in a few weeks/months), look over offerings by trusted resellers. 3. If "'worth it to you" (subjective) negotiate and buy. 4. Get it tomorrow. 5. Enjoy your watch. Seek other frustrations if needed!

21 November 2020, 06:50 AM	#27
drrd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: rd Location: uk Posts: 1,444	OP, you don't even need a watch and you certainly don't need a Rolex. If this stuff upsets you then forget it and move on because it could not be more trivial. It's really tempting to say this in just a couple of words but I'll leave it there.

21 November 2020, 07:45 AM	#29
C0d Banned Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Kanata Watch: Dog Posts: 815	1. I am not offended by any of this. I can't afford most of these watches even they were available at MSRP. 2. The fact that some here think this is how a free market should operate is exactly why we have two faction in all faucets of life. I will leave it at that. 3. The post had more to do with AD stickers and the fact that Rolex insists that everyone is abiding by their protocols which obviously isn't the case. Anyways, those who think this is fair game and they want to play, hey more power to you. Those who think this isn't they are already refusing to go the Rolex way so good for them. The fact that everyone talks about it proves that there is more to it than the simple "supply and demand" drum.

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