Explorer 36 - Old vs New

[polarinda]

just reissue the 114270 with a new movement ffs

[NathansExplorer]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QyPfUga1Qw

New footage. Looks good to me 👌

[RotorSelfWinding]

I don't dislike the size, per se, but I agree the top of the dial is too busy now. I also don't care for the coronet between "Swiss" and "Made"

[Crazy Lugs]

Originally Posted by Rollieo

Anyone get one yet?


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We’ve got more than a few months to wait...

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by RotorSelfWinding

I also don't care for the coronet between "Swiss" and "Made"

Until, a year from now, they discontinue that and you'll wish you had the "rare" coronet version...

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by NathansExplorer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QyPfUga1Qw

New footage. Looks good to me 👌

Yeah, saw that....thanks for posting....I don’t speak French...can anybody translate any of the “nouvelle” comments...ie.info we didn’t know yet?

[gr33n]

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Yeah, saw that....thanks for posting....I don’t speak French...can anybody translate any of the “nouvelle” comments...ie.info we didn’t know yet?

The comments are not very good... But that is not something that should bother the brand. It will sell like bread.

[dannyp]

Here's another thought/question: Is the taper really that much more aggressive, or does it just all happen closer to the top?

Looking at older vs. newer watches, it appears that some of the older ones have one more permanent link on one side than the newer ones (4 vs. 3). So, any tapering has to happen over fewer links.

I measured and my 16570 is 15.5mm at the link closest to the clasp, so overall taper seems similar, just more gradual.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by RotorSelfWinding

I also don't care for the coronet between "Swiss" and "Made"

I also don't like this either, but I understand that every Rolex with the 32xx movement has this. Hopefully in the metal it's so small as to be a nonissue.

[CagKaly]

Some of us were assuming that the bracelet would taper from 19mm to 15.5mm which is the common removable link size used on all 40mm and 36mm models, and even OP 34 (19 to 15.5), with the clasp being 16.7mm.

Well, as confirmed in the comments section of the WatchAdvisor video, this one tapers from 19mm to 14mm. With 14mm removable links, the clasp width would probably be around 15.2mm. If this information is accurate, I think the bracelet and the clasp will look really narrow.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by CagKaly

Some of us were assuming that the bracelet would taper from 19mm to 15.5mm which is the common removable link size used on all 40mm and 36mm models, and even OP 34 (19 to 15.5), with the clasp being 16.7mm.

Well, as confirmed in the comments section of the WatchAdvisor video, this one tapers from 19mm to 14mm. With 14mm removable links, the clasp width would probably be around 15.2mm. If this information is accurate, I think the bracelet and the clasp will look really narrow.

One thing is a little ambiguous: Does the 14mm refer to the final link in the bracelet, or does it refer to the inside of the clasp portion/folded extension link (also technically part of the bracelet)?

[CagKaly]

Originally Posted by dannyp

One thing is a little ambiguous: Does the 14mm refer to the final link in the bracelet, or does it refer to the inside of the clasp portion/folded extension link (also technically part of the bracelet)?

The removable links, and the extension link that comes after which attaches to the clasp are the same width. If the links are 15.5mm, so is the extension link.

So I guess he is referring to both.

[Juggernaut]

Man, sounds like keeping my 114270 with its 20-16mm bracelet is the way to go.

[CagKaly]

For reference, 19 to 14 bracelets with 15.3mm clasps were used on 5-digit 31mm Datejusts like 78240, as well as older 34mm Dates. Doesn’t sound very promising.

Even the previous OP34 114200, which my wife wears, has a 19 to 15.5 bracelet, with 16.7mm clasp, and she has tiny wrists.

[ink3027]

Originally Posted by CagKaly

For reference, 19 to 14 bracelets with 15.3mm clasps were used on 5-digit 31mm Datejusts like 78240, as well as older 34mm Dates. Doesn’t sound very promising.

Even the previous OP34 114200, which my wife wears, has a 19 to 15.5 bracelet, with 16.7mm clasp, and she has tiny wrists.

I'll be curious to see how the dimensions pan out when the models start hitting stores. The reason I say that, is the guy commenting with the 19mm to 14mm taper, also lists the lug-to-lug distance in that same video as 42mm. I haven't seen that number anywhere else, and based on pictures, the lug-to-lug almost certainly has to be 44mm, same as the 114270, because it looks basically identical in that regard. I'm not sure I trust his 14mm taper comment.

[CagKaly]

Originally Posted by ink3027

I'll be curious to see how the dimensions pan out when the models start hitting stores. The reason I say that, is the guy commenting with the 19mm to 14mm taper, also lists the lug-to-lug distance in that same video as 42mm. I haven't seen that number anywhere else, and based on pictures, the lug-to-lug almost certainly has to be 44mm, same as the 114270, because it looks basically identical in that regard. I'm not sure I trust his 14mm taper comment.

I’ve seen some people mentioning a lug width around 43mm based on estimates, so you may be right. It’s possible that his measurements are inaccurate, and I’m hoping they are. Also, in the video posted by faz, the clasp doesn’t look too narrow, and kinda ok. So, we’ll see.

[davidevo]

I've always assumed Rolex don't tell us these dimensions for marketing reasons (see OP41 rather than OP39.5), but maybe they're just sadistic... the ebb and flow of excitement as new things are worked out is tortuous!

[mgsooner]

If this 19mm bracelet thing turns out to be true, I have to say it becomes increasingly mind-boggling what Rolex did with the Explorer. Would the 36 be the only watch(es) in the Rolex catalogue with a 19mm bracelet? To be blunt, it's becoming more apparent who these new Explorers are being marketed towards...

[javier]

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[Vuerre]

Originally Posted by CagKaly

I’ve seen some people mentioning a lug width around 43mm based on estimates, so you may be right. It’s possible that his measurements are inaccurate, and I’m hoping they are. Also, in the video posted by faz, the clasp doesn’t look too narrow, and kinda ok. So, we’ll see.

very true

[NathansExplorer]

I love my 114270 but have always found the 20mm bracelet to wide for the 36mm case visually. 20mm bracelet looks absolutely perfect on a 5 series Sub/GMT. I think this new 124270 bracelet is a correction and looks a lot better. New model also wears bigger, but not by much. Rolex lovers tend to not like change. Just because 19mm is different doesn’t mean it’s bad.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by NathansExplorer

I love my 114270 but have always found the 20mm bracelet to wide for the 36mm case visually. 20mm bracelet looks absolutely perfect on a 5 series Sub/GMT. I think this new 124270 bracelet is a correction and looks a lot better. New model also wears bigger, but not by much. Rolex lovers tend to not like change. Just because 19mm is different doesn’t mean it’s bad.

How's the clasp width feel compared to yours?

[NathansExplorer]

Originally Posted by dannyp

How's the clasp width feel compared to yours?

They looked very similar to me. The modern Rolex clasp is a lot heftier though, which gives it the appearance of looking maybe a little wider. Bracelet obviously tapers more, which I like. The watch feels more balanced now. Always felt the bracelet overpowered the last generation 36mm. Thats not actually my photo though. Unfortunately when I was handling the display model, I didn't have my 114270 with me. I'll definitely be trading in.

[NathansExplorer]

This in no way looks like a thin clasp. Thats subjective though I guess.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnylqMD..._web_copy_link

[puckbw11]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CN7SbQJr...d=xl4rovyp91xh

A good comparison.


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[Brich436]

Originally Posted by NathansExplorer

This in no way looks like a thin clasp. Thats subjective though I guess.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnylqMD..._web_copy_link

Thanks for posting. It looks even better I’m real lie than the press photos. Wow.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by NathansExplorer

I love my 114270 but have always found the 20mm bracelet to wide for the 36mm case visually. 20mm bracelet looks absolutely perfect on a 5 series Sub/GMT. I think this new 124270 bracelet is a correction and looks a lot better.

Completely agree...20mm looks off on the 36mm case, I know that has been the norm for so long, but I always thought it looked a bit off. I welcome the 19mm lug width.

[davidevo]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Completely agree...20mm looks off on the 36mm case, I know that has been the norm for so long, but I always thought it looked a bit off. I welcome the 19mm lug width.

I think the biggest benefit of 19mm lug width will be when you put it on a nato

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNXjWcCrmGv/

This really looks overwhelmed by the 20mm strap to me

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by davidevo

I think the biggest benefit of 19mm lug width will be when you put it on a nato

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNXjWcCrmGv/

This really looks overwhelmed by the 20mm strap to me

Yes, well with the exception that I have a bunch of 20mm NATOs. 19mm is harder to source, but not impossible.

[flauntes]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

I think the new 36mm is a down grade. Add the over crowded top of the dial and it’s a big fail IMHO.

yes yes yes yes yes!!

i mean, why R O L E X (rehaut style spacing) on the damn dial when ROLEX would suffice? the size of the text, the spacing, the massive 369 that somehow just looks like the same used on a 39 dial (not that it looks better on the 39).

older explorers are classy and refine because it didnt have insecurity issues about the brand name that needs to be conspicuous

many friends collect vintage rolexes for the sole reason of them just looking more harmonized and balanced in terms of the overall appearance without a particular part of the watch just sticking out.

good that the maxi case is about to be phased out but come on...start phasing out the maxi "dial" too..

but then again, 36 and 39 should both exist as options. optimistic reasoning would like to believe it'll some how allow for shorter wait lists as the day dates are with their 36 and 40 options (possibly for the datejust as well).