Please help with this vintage 1675 (pics)

[japenney]

Hey everyone. I am considering this 1675 for around 10k US. It was locally purchased in the 70s and comes with box and papers from original owner. It is currently on an aftermarket bracelet but the original bracelet is included. Can you please comment on the condition of the watch dial and let me know if you think 10k is about right :). Thank you. The dial has a nice patina but I am concerned the hands have been swapped as they appear lighter.

[Porter]

Hi Josh,
IMO lugs are bit over polished, not sure but looking at the pics look bit rounded.
Hands look very flat and shine to me. Not matching with the dial. Probably are service hands or aftermarket.
The insert looks ok for me. Scratches are normal for a daily wearer. The same for the bezel.
Plexyglass looks ok but bit lost about the magnifier. Looking at the pics the date number looks small for me.
Does the watch coming with service history? Try to find out a bit more.
If I were you I would not spend 10k in this one but if you trust the seller and the watch shouts your name, go for it. Good luck.

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

[Tom1675]

The first pic looks like the hands match, the second looks different. I realize its just lighting but if they're luminova replacements this watch is a pass. Probably a pass anyway due to all of the valid points stated above. That said is the original bracelet in good shape? If its a folded original with correct endlinks that's $750 or more right there...

[japenney]

Another pic of dial. Thanks for the help so far. The original bracelet has not arrived yet. Waiting on it in the mail.

[japenney]

I trust the owner and the watch was just serviced last week by an independent with a great reputation for vintage watches. I just spoke with him and he said the hands were swapped but everything is original Rolex. Dial is original.

Can anyone tell me how much service hands detracts from value?

[Porter]

Ask about the plexiglass... Comparing this one from Google... Loupe magnification...
To me...Is not a 10k watch. If was cheaper you can try to find hands and plexiglass to match. Nice project but price is high IMO.
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"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

[japenney]

Originally Posted by Porter

Ask about the plexiglass... Comparing this one from Google... Loupe magnification...
To me...Is not a 10k watch. If was cheaper you can try to find hands and plexiglass to match. Nice project but price is high IMO.
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"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

Ok thank you. Can you recommend a price point where it would be a good deal in your opinion?

[buenosdias]

My opinion:
Hands relumed or Aftermarket....I tend to second.
Case looks ok, but someone has done a real bad polish-job done in the past.
Insert serviceinsert, bezel is polished "round", too.
Dial is MK2. To say if it is period correct, I would need the first 3 of the serial.
Better pics are necessary to say something about the condition of the dial.
On my iPad it Looks like some lume is flaked of the 2 o'clock index.

[japenney]

Originally Posted by buenosdias

My opinion:
Hands relumed or Aftermarket....I tend to second.
Case looks ok, but someone has done a real bad polish-job done in the past.
Insert serviceinsert, bezel is polished "round", too.
Dial is MK2. To say if it is period correct, I would need the first 3 of the serial.
Better pics are necessary to say something about the condition of the dial.
On my iPad it Looks like some lume is flaked of the 2 o'clock index.

Thanks for your opinion. I can probably negotiate on the price if i provide reasoning. Any recommendations for a safe purchase price would be appreciated. assume box and papers and original bracelet included.

[sensui]

I might be the minority....but I don't think the case is all that badly overpolished.....obviously polished and not great polishing jobs....but the case isn't in that terrible of a shape (I know most around here are sticklers for thick thick cases though).....bezel insert looks authentic and has a pleasing iris effect on the red....might be service insert though. The hands are definitely replacements so that's clearly a ding....dial looks pretty great and even though and has a light eggshell patina to it.....Assuming a full set of box/papers/original bracelet....a 10k price probably isn't far off in today's market if you look @ recent sales history. I think negotiating for less would obviously be a plus because you may someday/now hunt down matching hands/red back insert and have a pretty decent example. Try for $9k but I think that's really pushing it because it comes with papers and box.

[Toronto Soup King]

Must be the angle but comparing the "OYSTER PERPETUAL" printing on this to my own 1675, there sure seems to be a big space between the two words. Is this a known variant everyone else is used to?

[japenney]

Got home and took better pics. Obvious hands swap in lume pic..haha. 309xxxx puts the watch at 1972

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by Toronto Soup King

Must be the angle but comparing the "OYSTER PERPETUAL" printing on this to my own 1675, there sure seems to be a big space between the two words. Is this a known variant everyone else is used to?

All good this is an MKII

[javier]

Do not pay more than 8K, please !!!
Here in Argentina you can find them, same conditions, box and papers for 7K or less.
Anyways, I could think that 8K is fair, a win win deal.
Good luck

[zerocool]

That case is way overpolished, the top left lug particularly. Service bezel, service hands. This is way too much IMHO, even if it does have the box and papers, which is always nice to have but ultimately what you're going to look at every day is the watch.

[Porter]

Originally Posted by japenney

Ok thank you. Can you recommend a price point where it would be a good deal in your opinion?

I would go for 8K. Then I would start searching a matching hands, plexi and find someone to "remake" the lugs.
I like the insert, I would not replace it.
Definitely is not a 10K watch.
Any info about water pressure test?

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

[japenney]

Originally Posted by Porter

I would go for 8K. Then I would start searching a matching hands, plexi and find someone to "remake" the lugs.
I like the insert, I would not replace it.
Definitely is not a 10K watch.
Any info about water pressure test?

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

Watchmaker said it passed the water pressure test.

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[japenney]

Originally Posted by zerocool

That case is way overpolished, the top left lug particularly. Service bezel, service hands. This is way too much IMHO, even if it does have the box and papers, which is always nice to have but ultimately what you're going to look at every day is the watch.

How sure are you it's a service bezel? I'll have to look into that .

[springer]

Originally Posted by Porter

I would go for 8K. Then I would start searching a matching hands, plexi and find someone to "remake" the lugs.
I like the insert, I would not replace it.
Definitely is not a 10K watch.
Any info about water pressure test?

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.

I find your evaluation of this watch interesting. You like the insert but it is not correct for a Mark II watch. It is a later insert.

By the way, The hands are 100% aftermarket. The crystal could be original. Cyclopes can lose some of their magnification when the crystal is polished.

[springer]

Originally Posted by japenney

How sure are you it's a service bezel? I'll have to look into that .

The insert is not original for this watch, along with the aftermarket hands.

[michaelodonnell123]

I would not buy this watch at all - too many questionable items that will come up the day you try to sell it. For 10K you should be able to find an all original one with no concerns.

[japenney]

Originally Posted by springer

The insert is not original for this watch, along with the aftermarket hands.

Thank you very much.

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[Jim M]

Mine is from 1977 with luminova service hands replacement. I got it head only for trade value of approximately 1/3 of your price. Original box and papers count for something but I would not pay or value that particular piece at 10 but someone will pay for it eventually. Supply and demand.

[GGGMT]

Pass. You can do btr for 10 large.


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[rootbeer7]

Josh, I've just paid much less for my Mk1 long E here in the U.K. The one you're looking at is too expensive.

[Porter]

Originally Posted by springer

I find your evaluation of this watch interesting. You like the insert but it is not correct for a Mark II watch. It is a later insert.

By the way, The hands are 100% aftermarket. The crystal could be original. Cyclopes can lose some of their magnification when the crystal is polished.

Hi,
Thanks for you comments.
Don't think is interesting really, is just my opinion. I like the insert and the used condition. If one day this bothers me just buy a new one and remove. Quite easy to do it.
Not sure if this insert is original or aftermarket like the plexiglass. Are you sure? Yes, you are right, can loose magnification when polished but many of aftermarket plexi have a wrong loupe, height, density.... If this model in particular have several aftermarket or service parts you can think a hundred things about every piece. I don't like the plexiglass but I like the insert.
As I said to Josh, IMO is expensive. I'm in the watch restoration side and would be a nice project for me (with a lower price). I love the risk and the quest restoring watches but not many people would do it.
Hope I've explained with the proper words.
Have a nice day.

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana". Groucho Marx.