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barstoolman · 10 December 2010, 10:19 AM

Don't rule out the Pam 164

morgman · 3 January 2011, 04:50 PM

I would go with the 104 for the manual wind and automatic, or even the 164. I LOVE the brushed case of the 164.

It's a tough choice though.

Also, the 104 will ride just a bit higher up as the caseback is thicker. I find this a good thing.

htc8p · 3 January 2011, 05:50 PM

i dont know ive always seen the 104 as ugly. i know the date is useful but pams are big that i never wanted to clutter the face. probably because the clean dial is very classic.

the choice is yours 104 is very practical automatic with date.

TswaneNguni · 3 January 2011, 08:59 PM

104 ..... 111 more classic hisoric and the 312 now more in favour,BUT the 104 is a beautiful watch !!! No other PAM looks so good on any strap.The chameleon of the PAM world.Very versatile

My 104 now on the brilliant old style bracelet (Bought LNIB,from a 220)

α-ψ! · 3 January 2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by barstoolman

Don't rule out the Pam 164

here is my 164!!!!

nauticajoe · 3 January 2011, 11:00 PM

Another vote for the 111.

Mogens · 4 January 2011, 04:50 AM

I would also say the 164. I had one, and the dial and the brushed case is really nice.

However the sandwich dial on the 111 is reason enough to get it!:-)

glimmer · 3 May 2011, 10:50 AM

Can you perform a quick strap change with the 111? I'm debating the same thing, 104 vs. 111 but I like the sandwich dial so much so I'll probably end up with the 111.

esm · 3 May 2011, 10:55 AM

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mfer · 3 May 2011, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glimmer

Can you perform a quick strap change with the 111? I'm debating the same thing, 104 vs. 111 but I like the sandwich dial so much so I'll probably end up with the 111.

Old thread, but no, the 111 is a screw system only.

glimmer · 3 May 2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mfer

Old thread, but no, the 111 is a screw system only.

Thanks for the info!

mocheen · 4 May 2011, 02:20 PM

I was having a difficult time trying to decide between the 111 and 104 as well. I am a big fan of the sandwich dial. One of my watches was stolen from the gym last year and it had a see through case back. I wanted the 111 to replace the stolen watch as I often enjoyed viewing the mechanism. All of my watches were automatic, so I was hesitant to go with a manual wind. I typically end up adjusting the times on all of my watches whenever I wear one of them, so winding it was not too cumbersome. It did take a little getting used to at first. I really enjoy wearing my 111 on the weekends. I just purchased a deployant buckle and 3 oem straps for it. If money were not an object than I would go 312 as it offers the best of both worlds.

Which ever watch you choose you cannot go wrong with either choice.

TopNotchChach · 4 May 2011, 02:26 PM

111

Jonathan007 · 4 May 2011, 07:44 PM

111 for me!

Sandwich Dial, brushed screw guard, no date, manual wind. Simplicity and originality at its best.

tylerad1 · 4 May 2011, 11:45 PM

111 hands down. Too classic of a look to pass up

tylerad1 · 5 May 2011, 12:03 AM

I just realized what an old post this was......I guess that train's already left the station!

3 May 2011, 10:50 AM	#38
glimmer Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Here, everywhere Posts: 1,244	Can you perform a quick strap change with the 111? I'm debating the same thing, 104 vs. 111 but I like the sandwich dial so much so I'll probably end up with the 111. Last edited by glimmer; 3 May 2011 at 10:50 AM.. Reason: added info

4 May 2011, 07:44 PM	#44
Jonathan007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Jon Location: ENGLAND Watch: #296 Posts: 792	111 for me! Sandwich Dial, brushed screw guard, no date, manual wind. Simplicity and originality at its best. __________________ Seiko all original 6105-8119

10 December 2010, 10:19 AM	#31
barstoolman Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 801	Don't rule out the Pam 164

3 January 2011, 04:50 PM	#32
morgman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 475	I would go with the 104 for the manual wind and automatic, or even the 164. I LOVE the brushed case of the 164. It's a tough choice though. Also, the 104 will ride just a bit higher up as the caseback is thicker. I find this a good thing.

3 January 2011, 05:50 PM	#33
htc8p "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Bert Location: philippines Watch: 116710 ln Posts: 3,448	i dont know ive always seen the 104 as ugly. i know the date is useful but pams are big that i never wanted to clutter the face. probably because the clean dial is very classic. the choice is yours 104 is very practical automatic with date.

3 January 2011, 08:59 PM	#34
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,608	104 ..... 111 more classic hisoric and the 312 now more in favour,BUT the 104 is a beautiful watch !!! No other PAM looks so good on any strap.The chameleon of the PAM world.Very versatile My 104 now on the brilliant old style bracelet (Bought LNIB,from a 220)

3 January 2011, 11:00 PM	#36
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Another vote for the 111.

4 January 2011, 04:50 AM	#37
Mogens Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 77	I would also say the 164. I had one, and the dial and the brushed case is really nice. However the sandwich dial on the 111 is reason enough to get it!:-)

3 May 2011, 10:55 AM	#39
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	[quote=

4 May 2011, 02:20 PM	#42
mocheen "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Aaron Location: San Francisco Watch: 16610LV Posts: 187	I was having a difficult time trying to decide between the 111 and 104 as well. I am a big fan of the sandwich dial. One of my watches was stolen from the gym last year and it had a see through case back. I wanted the 111 to replace the stolen watch as I often enjoyed viewing the mechanism. All of my watches were automatic, so I was hesitant to go with a manual wind. I typically end up adjusting the times on all of my watches whenever I wear one of them, so winding it was not too cumbersome. It did take a little getting used to at first. I really enjoy wearing my 111 on the weekends. I just purchased a deployant buckle and 3 oem straps for it. If money were not an object than I would go 312 as it offers the best of both worlds. Which ever watch you choose you cannot go wrong with either choice.

4 May 2011, 02:26 PM	#43
TopNotchChach "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Near the Ocean! Watch: 116610 Posts: 1,253	111

4 May 2011, 11:45 PM	#45
tylerad1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: MI Posts: 812	111 hands down. Too classic of a look to pass up

5 May 2011, 12:03 AM	#46
tylerad1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: MI Posts: 812	I just realized what an old post this was......I guess that train's already left the station!

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