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Old 20 August 2019, 04:50 AM   #1
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Hello, I know it is a boring subject and the infos are normally already everywhere but I can't find this clasp code...I'm looking for a watch which comes with a 7836 bracelet Rolex with 280 end-links and a clasp code "TC" engraved...TC is one I've never seen and I can't find any info...Could you please help me? Best mates!
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Old 20 August 2019, 07:39 AM   #2
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Donít think there was a TC, nor even a T, clasp code.


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Old 20 August 2019, 09:06 AM   #3
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There is a T clasp code. I've bookmarked this thread, which has proved to be super useful since it contains all the bracelet, end link and clasp code info.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=73646
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Old 20 August 2019, 09:16 AM   #4
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Donít think there was a TC, nor even a T, clasp code.


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According to this chart, https://www.gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52, T clasp codes indicate 1995/1996.
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Old 20 August 2019, 01:09 PM   #5
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Thanks guys - missed that.

But you do agree there is no TC clasp code, right? Isnít that what the OP asked and I answered?


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Old 20 August 2019, 01:56 PM   #6
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Is "TC" the full clasp code or is there another character? Does the clasp say "7836" or "78360"?

Can you post photos?
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Old 20 August 2019, 01:56 PM   #7
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Any pics? I’ve never heard it TC
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Old 21 August 2019, 01:13 AM   #8
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I just received photos. Itís finally not TC but T......C....the description was confusing...C would be 1978 and T would be 1995 although the watch is from 1967...thanks
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Old 21 August 2019, 02:47 AM   #9
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That's a T clasp code. Not sure what that C is though.
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Old 21 August 2019, 02:59 AM   #10
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That's a T clasp code. Not sure what that C is though.
I would have said the opposite.
This type of bracelet with a T code ??
On the other hand, 78 is maybe slightly late, I donít know when this reference was stopped.

I would bet for a watch which comes with a an older replacement bracelet but wait for the experts. Itís going to be much easier with the picture !
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Old 21 August 2019, 04:30 AM   #11
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Looks like C is the clasp code and the other may have been made by a watchmaker or other.

I would try to confirm authenticity, could be the pics but the band looks pretty fresh compared to the clasp.

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Old 21 August 2019, 04:41 AM   #12
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Many thanks fellows, it's a folded oyster bracelet, I'd say 1978 then, the C might be initial for / from a beloved person...but are we sure that it can't be from 67? Obviously yes because in 1967, was only the year engraved and not a code...Many thanks!
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Old 21 August 2019, 05:49 AM   #13
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The TC seems to me to look as if it may have been added later?

One of those "import code" stamps or such?
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Old 21 August 2019, 06:01 AM   #14
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Yeah, I wasn’t thinking. Probably C code and the T does look as if it had been added later. I’m just used to the clasp code being offset from the Rolex logo and not in like.

Alternatively someone may have pieced the bracelet together by taking a clasp from a 78360?
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Old 21 August 2019, 06:38 AM   #15
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Yeah, I wasnít thinking. Probably C code and the T does look as if it had been added later. Iím just used to the clasp code being offset from the Rolex logo and not in like.

Alternatively someone may have pieced the bracelet together by taking a clasp from a 78360?
My thought is that the bracelet would be the one from 67 and they change later for another clasp, maybe the original one was damaged...
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Old 21 August 2019, 06:56 AM   #16
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Brilliant info
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My thought is that the bracelet would be the one from 67 and they change later for another clasp, maybe the original one was damaged...
More likely a later bracelet. Can’t ever recall seeing a ’67 stamped 7836. To be honest I’m not a big fan of what I see. Engravings look very poor. If authentic I think the bracelet is cobbled together from different bands. I have a faint memory of early two-tone clasps being marked like that. Could be wrong though.
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Many thanks fellows, it's a folded oyster bracelet, I'd say 1978 then, the C might be initial for / from a beloved person...but are we sure that it can't be from 67? Obviously yes because in 1967, was only the year engraved and not a code...Many thanks!
1967 is too early for a 7836 Oyster.
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Old 21 August 2019, 09:43 AM   #19
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My thought is that the bracelet would be the one from 67 and they change later for another clasp, maybe the original one was damaged...


The bracelet pieces could be any vintage between mid-60ís (when folded links were introduced to replace riveted links) all the way to mid-70ís when the 78360 came out with solid links.

The endlinks and clasp arenít original apparently.

Can you help us understand the quest?
Are you looking for a watch using that specific bracelet/endlink combo?

Or looking AT a watch with that 7836/280 combo and that clasp?


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Old 21 August 2019, 06:01 PM   #20
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The bracelet pieces could be any vintage between mid-60ís (when folded links were introduced to replace riveted links) all the way to mid-70ís when the 78360 came out with solid links.

The endlinks and clasp arenít original apparently.

Can you help us understand the quest?
Are you looking for a watch using that specific bracelet/endlink combo?

Or looking AT a watch with that 7836/280 combo and that clasp?


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Here is the watch : https://www.chrono24.fr/rolex/gmt-16...id10245972.htm

I find it very expensive but despite the price I wanted to clear up this bracelet issue...
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Not that it matters much but that insert, albeit very nice, is hardly original to the watch. If you think the bracelet is an issue..
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Old 21 August 2019, 09:06 PM   #22
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Not that it matters much but that insert, albeit very nice, is hardly original to the watch. If you think the bracelet is an issue..
I find the watch very expensive compared to other mk1 with megafatfont pepsi inlay and with a wrong bracelet I find it even more crazy...
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I find the watch very expensive compared to other mk1 with megafatfont pepsi inlay and with a wrong bracelet I find it even more crazy...
Price is indeed in gilt territory. Personally I would not value accessories that much. But some may do...

Dial and hands doesn’t look 36.5k€ to me.
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Price is indeed in gilt territory. Personally I would not value accessories that much. But some may do...

Dial and hands doesnít look 36.5kÄ to me.
I also think that for this price I could find a gilt one. The problem is that I donít know a lot in the gilt range...and Iíd prefer a nice matte one with this kind of inlay but this one costs for me around 25Äk, or?
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I also think that for this price I could find a gilt one. The problem is that I donít know a lot in the gilt range...and Iíd prefer a nice matte one with this kind of inlay but this one costs for me around 25Äk, or?
This one costs you 36.5Ä. You should be able to find one in similar, or better, condition around 20-25 without papers. Maybe even less. Cash is king these days and selling expensive watches is starting to get more slow. Have patience and start searching good sellers on IG and you will find something. C24 is not the best way to find something. Hunting websites is in general not great as few dealers/collectors take the time to post things properly. IG is fast and simple.
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Here is the watch : https://www.chrono24.fr/rolex/gmt-16...id10245972.htm



I find it very expensive but despite the price I wanted to clear up this bracelet issue...


Thanks
Using internet resources still wonít clear up the issues with that bracelet/clasp. But here is some more towards that discussion.

The folded link bracelet
Something from the listing, one link has been added to make it 13 links long, or the seller is counting the claspís connector. Here is a pic to help you with the 7836...



The clasp
The clasp is marked in a way Rolex didnít mark them with a letter above another letter. (Perhaps with exception of ďSĒ for a service clasp). Even in the most favorable interpretation the clasp didnít come with that watch.
C: 1978 or T: 1995.
In 1978, the markings were more crude...but what may look like a T above a C is a big question. The clasps came into Rolex with a year mark but itís clear to me that during the final assembly someone at Rolex stamped the month #. for example...




By 1995, Rolex was marking the code with a month number in a finer manner.



So Iím leaning towards a mis-marked 1978-ish clasp...


The end links
Let your eyes be the judge - hereís an example of the stamped 280 on a pair; do the ďstare & compareĒ to the pic you were provided. I lean towards a poor replica endlink.




And yes, the price is out of scale to its pedigree - which for the bracelet has many detours.


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Not that it matters much but that insert, albeit very nice, is hardly original to the watch. If you think the bracelet is an issue..
X2. The watch is too early for a super fat font insert and 7836 bracelet.
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Old 22 August 2019, 06:47 AM   #28
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Using internet resources still wonít clear up the issues with that bracelet/clasp. But here is some more towards that discussion.

The folded link bracelet
Something from the listing, one link has been added to make it 13 links long, or the seller is counting the claspís connector. Here is a pic to help you with the 7836...



The clasp
The clasp is marked in a way Rolex didnít mark them with a letter above another letter. (Perhaps with exception of ďSĒ for a service clasp). Even in the most favorable interpretation the clasp didnít come with that watch.
C: 1978 or T: 1995.
In 1978, the markings were more crude...but what may look like a T above a C is a big question. The clasps came into Rolex with a year mark but itís clear to me that during the final assembly someone at Rolex stamped the month #. for example...




By 1995, Rolex was marking the code with a month number in a finer manner.



So Iím leaning towards a mis-marked 1978-ish clasp...


The end links
Let your eyes be the judge - hereís an example of the stamped 280 on a pair; do the ďstare & compareĒ to the pic you were provided. I lean towards a poor replica endlink.




And yes, the price is out of scale to its pedigree - which for the bracelet has many detours.


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Many thanks for all the information, I'll search for another one
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Old 22 August 2019, 06:48 AM   #29
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X2. The watch is too early for a super fat font insert and 7836 bracelet.
Thank you! When came the super fat font insert? Best
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Old 24 August 2019, 03:33 AM   #30
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I would say the mega fat font comes with long E in any case, or?
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