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jhnpennington · 3 July 2007, 07:27 AM

I've often wondered how accurate people's automatic watches were.

I nearly bought a Breitling Superquartz after a horrendously inaccurate Seiko automatic.

In the end, I couldn't spend over 1000GBP on a quartz and so I bought a Breitling Colt II automatic.

Initially it was about +3 seconds a day but after 2 weeks settled to between 0 and +1 seconds per day.

Have I been really lucky or are new Breitlings very accurate now Breitling have linked up with Kelek?

How accurate are other people's Breitlings and other brands.

Regards,

John.

walds11 · 3 July 2007, 07:28 AM

To be honest with you, I don't really pay attention. If it is way off, I am sure I would notice.

JPSUB · 3 July 2007, 07:33 AM

I am averaging just over 3 sec per day with my Z series SS Sub with date.

Rubenonfire · 3 July 2007, 07:59 AM

Mine has run anywhere between +2 to -2. I check it about once a week on time.gov, but that's just for education purposes...I don't stress too much about the precision of my Rolex.

As John Ireland says, I've never been or needed to be within +2/-2 for anything in my life, so I certainly don't expect my watch to be.

If I really needed such tight precision I wouldn't have bought a mechanical watch, and if I get really anal about the time I can adjust every other month when I have to pull out the crown to change the date anyway.

Atl · 3 July 2007, 08:23 AM

2006 Sub date: -3 seconds a day

2007 GMT-II (no, not the new model): -1 second a day

2000 Jeager LeCoultre Reverso Grand Talle: Can't really tell due to non-hacking movement, but very good, It's not CSOC rated either. I don't really care, I LOVE this watch.

Russian Poljot submarine watch, with Auto movement, +30-45 seconds a day. Hey it's Russian!! What do you expect???

David

Mennald · 3 July 2007, 08:32 AM

SS sub +/-0
LV sub -1
SS GMT II +4
Maxi dial SS GMT II -0.5
DJ +2

All good enough for me.

jhnpennington · 3 July 2007, 08:37 AM

If I had known that a quality automatic would be so accurate I wouldn't have considered a quartz!

haakon59 · 3 July 2007, 08:47 AM

I have results all over the place but I don't obsess over this the way I used to. Some of mine are fairly cheap, some expensive. I find they usually become less accurate before servicing and after 5-6 years or so. Let's see, I have several older models around 20-30 seconds off per day, maybe 4 of them right now. I have a few who are 10-20 seconds off per day, 5 of them. I have several 10 seconds or less, 6 of them. What I have noticed is that this doesn't necessarily correspond to price. And they usually perform better after servicing. I don't have any Rolex or Omega currently, but in the past they have been my best performing brands. I think it's odd at first glance that it doesn't matter if I paid $1000.00 or $10,000.00, the brands seem to perform about the same with the two exceptions I noted. When I first started collecting, I was obsessed with this. Now I have a more relaxed attitude although I do normally check it with a spreadsheet for about a month when I first buy it just to make sure it's OK. I normally switch watches once a day--a diver in the evening through my morning swim, then I switch to my work watch.

roadcarver · 3 July 2007, 09:32 PM

My no date sub 14060 was spot on for a week after coming back from service from RSC Toronto.

Currently my SD is running about +2 / day, and the Breitling out of the box has been -4 /day. I'd rather have the watch go fast than slow so it needs to be regulated.

My SMP appears to be a tad fast, while the DateJust is approx -1 sec/day.

I'll time my SMP and update this post.

padi56 · 3 July 2007, 10:41 PM

Well after a bit of fine tuning I have a Alpha manual wind $80 chronograph thats been running constantly,for about 12 months thats well within the COSC specs daily.And straight out the box Vixa type R with a ETA 2824-2T movement thats one of the most accurate watches I have ever owned for less that £200.Now any Rolex built in the last 30 plus years I would expect them to run well inside the COSC spec. Because its quite simple they were all built to do it in the first place.

triton · 3 July 2007, 11:14 PM

to me anything outside 5mins differential is term as not accurate.

mikey · 4 July 2007, 12:36 AM

I agree not accurate but seriously does it matter???its a mechanical movement with a thousand small parts that you need a magifier to even see. When you buy a Rolex, time is on your side!

TARDIS · 4 July 2007, 01:51 PM

My Submariner D14060M is the most accurate watch I have ever owned.

DavoD · 4 July 2007, 08:05 PM

If only I am as accurate as my LV for my appointment I will be a champion.

mike · 4 July 2007, 08:39 PM

Some better than others but all within specs.

watchzone · 5 July 2007, 05:11 PM

Idon't pay attention

David alston · 5 July 2007, 08:17 PM

My old Seiko automatic that I bought at a garage sale for 5 bucks is within + or -10 seconds per day. (7009 movement).

ADISMO · 6 July 2007, 05:59 PM

dude just get an atomic watch... like Oceanus

my Vajoux movement in my Hamilton Xwind keeps great time +1min in a week

Rolex SD is timeless

redmoon · 8 July 2007, 02:09 AM

I recently bought a rolex DJ with the gold/steel (my first one )

Bit i have recently noticed it is fast by +1 seconds per day.
Not owning a mechancal watch before I was worried if something was worng with the watch...

I always thought the rolex was accurate to 1 sec in a year

I assume this is normal.
Any links that you can provide on what is considered normal operating limits would be appreciated

jhnpennington · 8 July 2007, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmoon

I recently bought a rolex DJ with the gold/steel (my first one )

Bit i have recently noticed it is fast by +1 seconds per day.
Not owning a mechancal watch before I was worried if something was worng with the watch...

I always thought the rolex was accurate to 1 sec in a year

I assume this is normal.
Any links that you can provide on what is considered normal operating limits would be appreciated

Hello sir,

Your watch is very accurate.

To be considered a chronometer (COSC) it should be between -4 and +6 seconds a day.

Regards,
John

JJ Irani · 8 July 2007, 05:15 AM

BOTH my Rollies - the white Exp-II as well as my Blue Sub - are scaringly accurate!!

padi56 · 8 July 2007, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmoon

I recently bought a rolex DJ with the gold/steel (my first one )

Bit i have recently noticed it is fast by +1 seconds per day.
Not owning a mechancal watch before I was worried if something was worng with the watch...

I always thought the rolex was accurate to 1 sec in a year

I assume this is normal.
Any links that you can provide on what is considered normal operating limits would be appreciated

Well think of it this way but remember your watch is mechanical and even a very cheap quartz watch. Is going to be far more accurate than any mechanical watch.Now your mechanical watch is very accurate indeed and is well inside the COSC spec -4 +6 a day.Now in 24 hours, the escapement of a mechanical watch pushes the gears 432,000 times. Since a day has 86,400 seconds, even a watch that runs five minutes fast or slow each day has an accuracy of over 99.6 percent! A finer mechanical watch that gains or loses about nine seconds a day or about a minute a week has a breathtaking precision of over 99.99 per cent. This is very high precision, given the fact that the movement is constantly affected by the earth's gravity, metal expansion and contraction, temperature variations,subtle changes in lubrication and friction, shocks, and so on so your +1 second a day is quite a marvel for any mechanical watch.

redmoon · 8 July 2007, 07:01 AM

Thanks all for the replies :)
This forum is awesome!

I was little concerned at first wondering after spending $6K USD after much bargaining on a watch the damn thing would keep accurate time :)
Now I understand ...whew

I am loving my new rolex DJ...

JJ Irani · 8 July 2007, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmoon

Thanks all for the replies :)
This forum is awesome!

I was little concerned at worst wondering after spending $6K USD on a watch the damn thing would keep accurate time :)
Now I understand ...whew

I am loving my new rolex DJ...

Congrats on your new DJ and welcome to TRF. Can we possibly see some pics of your watch?

Thanks - JJ

redmoon · 8 July 2007, 07:35 AM

Thanks JJ

I was just about to clean my watch
Here are some pics i just took...will take some more clear ones out later tomorrow

I love the color...two tone with silver dial
picked it up in HK

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Congrats on your new DJ and welcome to TRF. Can we possibly see some pics of your watch?

Thanks - JJ

JJ Irani · 8 July 2007, 07:38 AM

What an absolute beauty. Love that silver dial and Jubilee combo!!

Wear it in good health, pal!!

redmoon · 8 July 2007, 07:41 AM

Thanks JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

What an absolute beauty. Love that silver dial and Jubilee combo!!

Wear it in good health, pal!!

miner · 8 July 2007, 06:40 PM

This old thing is in need of repair, stopped a couple of days ago but it is exactly right twice a day at 12:33:11

JJ Irani · 9 July 2007, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miner

This old thing is in need of repair, stopped a couple of days ago but it is exactly right twice a day at 12:33:11

Hey Clive,

Is that a small whisky flask on the right?

stuneu · 9 July 2007, 01:32 PM

I got my SD on 4/7/07, brought it home and set by http://www.time.gov

It has been on my wrist since full time (with the exception of some tubing I did today! (I had a Sub 15 years ago, but it was lost in a wicked wipe out while tubing off the back of my buddies boat. Not one of my smarter moves!)

Just checked it for the first time since seeing this thread and the SD has lost exactly 20 seconds! Much better than I remember my Sub being, even though it was a long time ago.

3 July 2007, 07:27 AM	#1
jhnpennington Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: knutsford, uk Posts: 31	How accurate is your automatic watch? I've often wondered how accurate people's automatic watches were. I nearly bought a Breitling Superquartz after a horrendously inaccurate Seiko automatic. In the end, I couldn't spend over 1000GBP on a quartz and so I bought a Breitling Colt II automatic. Initially it was about +3 seconds a day but after 2 weeks settled to between 0 and +1 seconds per day. Have I been really lucky or are new Breitlings very accurate now Breitling have linked up with Kelek? How accurate are other people's Breitlings and other brands. Regards, John.

3 July 2007, 07:33 AM	#3
JPSUB "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: James Location: Houston TX Watch: 16610 Posts: 332	I am averaging just over 3 sec per day with my Z series SS Sub with date. __________________

3 July 2007, 08:32 AM	#6
Mennald "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Illinois Watch: Daytona Posts: 319	SS sub +/-0 LV sub -1 SS GMT II +4 Maxi dial SS GMT II -0.5 DJ +2 All good enough for me. __________________ Mennald 116300, 116333, 116334, 116400V, 116520, 116610LV, 116610LN, 116710, 116718, 218239, PAM 90, 126600

3 July 2007, 09:32 PM	#9
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	My no date sub 14060 was spot on for a week after coming back from service from RSC Toronto. Currently my SD is running about +2 / day, and the Breitling out of the box has been -4 /day. I'd rather have the watch go fast than slow so it needs to be regulated. My SMP appears to be a tad fast, while the DateJust is approx -1 sec/day. I'll time my SMP and update this post. __________________ I'm just a cook...

3 July 2007, 10:41 PM	#10
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,412	Well after a bit of fine tuning I have a Alpha manual wind $80 chronograph thats been running constantly,for about 12 months thats well within the COSC specs daily.And straight out the box Vixa type R with a ETA 2824-2T movement thats one of the most accurate watches I have ever owned for less that £200.Now any Rolex built in the last 30 plus years I would expect them to run well inside the COSC spec. Because its quite simple they were all built to do it in the first place. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

3 July 2007, 07:28 AM	#2
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,634	To be honest with you, I don't really pay attention. If it is way off, I am sure I would notice.

3 July 2007, 07:59 AM	#4
Rubenonfire "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Ruben Location: Orange County Watch: 16610LV Posts: 1,317	Mine has run anywhere between +2 to -2. I check it about once a week on time.gov, but that's just for education purposes...I don't stress too much about the precision of my Rolex. As John Ireland says, I've never been or needed to be within +2/-2 for anything in my life, so I certainly don't expect my watch to be. If I really needed such tight precision I wouldn't have bought a mechanical watch, and if I get really anal about the time I can adjust every other month when I have to pull out the crown to change the date anyway.

3 July 2007, 08:23 AM	#5
Atl Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: David Location: Sandy Springs, Ga Watch: GMT II, new Subbie Posts: 937	2006 Sub date: -3 seconds a day 2007 GMT-II (no, not the new model): -1 second a day 2000 Jeager LeCoultre Reverso Grand Talle: Can't really tell due to non-hacking movement, but very good, It's not CSOC rated either. I don't really care, I LOVE this watch. Russian Poljot submarine watch, with Auto movement, +30-45 seconds a day. Hey it's Russian!! What do you expect??? David

3 July 2007, 08:37 AM	#7
jhnpennington Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: knutsford, uk Posts: 31	If I had known that a quality automatic would be so accurate I wouldn't have considered a quartz!

3 July 2007, 08:47 AM	#8
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	I have results all over the place but I don't obsess over this the way I used to. Some of mine are fairly cheap, some expensive. I find they usually become less accurate before servicing and after 5-6 years or so. Let's see, I have several older models around 20-30 seconds off per day, maybe 4 of them right now. I have a few who are 10-20 seconds off per day, 5 of them. I have several 10 seconds or less, 6 of them. What I have noticed is that this doesn't necessarily correspond to price. And they usually perform better after servicing. I don't have any Rolex or Omega currently, but in the past they have been my best performing brands. I think it's odd at first glance that it doesn't matter if I paid $1000.00 or $10,000.00, the brands seem to perform about the same with the two exceptions I noted. When I first started collecting, I was obsessed with this. Now I have a more relaxed attitude although I do normally check it with a spreadsheet for about a month when I first buy it just to make sure it's OK. I normally switch watches once a day--a diver in the evening through my morning swim, then I switch to my work watch.

3 July 2007, 11:14 PM	#11
triton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 156	to me anything outside 5mins differential is term as not accurate.

4 July 2007, 12:36 AM	#12
mikey "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Watch: Oysterdate 6694 Posts: 2,713	I agree not accurate but seriously does it matter???its a mechanical movement with a thousand small parts that you need a magifier to even see. When you buy a Rolex, time is on your side!

4 July 2007, 01:51 PM	#13
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	My Submariner D14060M is the most accurate watch I have ever owned.

4 July 2007, 08:05 PM	#14
DavoD "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: David Location: Zurich, CH Watch: Rolex Sub LV Posts: 45	If only I am as accurate as my LV for my appointment I will be a champion.

4 July 2007, 08:39 PM	#15
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Some better than others but all within specs.

5 July 2007, 05:11 PM	#16
watchzone Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 16	Idon't pay attention

6 July 2007, 05:59 PM	#18
ADISMO Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Adrian Location: Cali Watch: Seadweller Posts: 122	dude just get an atomic watch... like Oceanus my Vajoux movement in my Hamilton Xwind keeps great time +1min in a week Rolex SD is timeless

8 July 2007, 02:09 AM	#19
redmoon Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 16	I recently bought a rolex DJ with the gold/steel (my first one ) Bit i have recently noticed it is fast by +1 seconds per day. Not owning a mechancal watch before I was worried if something was worng with the watch... I always thought the rolex was accurate to 1 sec in a year I assume this is normal. Any links that you can provide on what is considered normal operating limits would be appreciated

8 July 2007, 05:15 AM	#21
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	BOTH my Rollies - the white Exp-II as well as my Blue Sub - are scaringly accurate!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

8 July 2007, 07:01 AM	#23
redmoon Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 16	Thanks all for the replies :) This forum is awesome! I was little concerned at first wondering after spending $6K USD after much bargaining on a watch the damn thing would keep accurate time :) Now I understand ...whew I am loving my new rolex DJ...

8 July 2007, 07:38 AM	#26
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	What an absolute beauty. Love that silver dial and Jubilee combo!! Wear it in good health, pal!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

8 July 2007, 06:40 PM	#28
miner "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 1,294	This old thing is in need of repair, stopped a couple of days ago but it is exactly right twice a day at 12:33:11

9 July 2007, 01:32 PM	#30
stuneu "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 12	Very Happy with SD I got my SD on 4/7/07, brought it home and set by http://www.time.gov It has been on my wrist since full time (with the exception of some tubing I did today! (I had a Sub 15 years ago, but it was lost in a wicked wipe out while tubing off the back of my buddies boat. Not one of my smarter moves!) Just checked it for the first time since seeing this thread and the SD has lost exactly 20 seconds! Much better than I remember my Sub being, even though it was a long time ago.

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