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Hkexpat183 · 21 April 2016, 10:11 PM

I was walking around today in HK and stopped by a grey seller shop here in HK that I use to frequent but hadn't been in for quite some time. BOOM...there it was in the glass window display. A Patek 5970j brand new. The owner told me he has another one that is 99% condition. Price seems to be very attractive and ~$30k below what I've seen advertised by sellers in the states. With the used one being $10k less than the new one.

Question I am debating now is whether to trade in a bulk of my collection to obtain this monster! I would need to sell the following to make the numbers work:

(1) Rolex WG skydweller
(2) Rolex platinum day date 2
(3) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty
(4) AP 15202 jumbo

This would leave me with:

(1) Patek 59801r
(2) Patek 5970j
(3) Rolex DSSD
(4) Rolex YG GMT2c

Would you do it? Kind of fun thinking about it! Going to post in the Patek forum as well to get balanced views.

I was walking around today in HK and stopped by a grey seller shop here in HK that I use to frequent but hadn't been in for quite some time. BOOM...there it was in the glass window display. A Patek 5970j brand new. The owner told me he has another one that is 99% condition. Price seems to be very attractive and ~$30k below what I've seen advertised by sellers in the states. With the used one being $10k less than the new one.

Question I am debating now is whether to trade in a bulk of my collection to obtain this monster! I would need to sell the following to make the numbers work:

(1) Rolex WG skydweller
(2) Rolex platinum day date 2
(3) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty
(4) AP 15202 jumbo

This would leave me with:

(1) Patek 59801r
(2) Patek 5970j
(3) Rolex DSSD
(4) Rolex YG GMT2c

Would you do it? Kind of fun thinking about it! Going to post in the Patek forum as well to get balanced views.

beshannon · 21 April 2016, 10:19 PM

Yes given what you are selling, I would do this in a split second.

dominic.warren · 21 April 2016, 10:20 PM

Wow! H I just looked at google what a nice piece. My holy grail is a Patek 5036j. I obviously am not at your level but with the pieces you have listed as keeping I would go for it. Good luck and wear that amazing collection in good health.

joli160 · 21 April 2016, 10:35 PM

I would not part with the SKD and DD against this one

zama · 21 April 2016, 10:36 PM

Awesome grail but there is some lovely watches you would be losing, and while I have no worries about wearing a platinum DD anywhere they would be another step up again on a leather strap, I would worry about losing it.

Hkexpat183 · 21 April 2016, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zama

Awesome grail but there is some lovely watches you would be losing, and while I have no worries about wearing a platinum DD anywhere they would be another step up again on a leather strap, I would worry about losing it.

Agree with you. I think the 5970j would be a safe queen. Especially if I went with the new one since it's still sealed in original Patek platic sealed bag.

lain09 · 21 April 2016, 10:41 PM

Yes I definitely would consolidate. Your 'after' collection is much more attractive to me.

Jack T · 21 April 2016, 10:44 PM

Giving up the platinum DD, among others, for a safe queen? Not for me, but I'm in a different place with watches. And I'm not as much of a fan of the heavy duty dive watches. But you've got a very exclusive collection.
And not to be persnickety, but there is no 'ultimate' Grail...it's either a grail or not.

Eric5964 · 21 April 2016, 10:46 PM

Would not want to lose the platinum Day Date myself

EricE

Hkexpat183 · 21 April 2016, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lain09

Yes I definitely would consolidate. Your 'after' collection is much more attractive to me.

I didn't list but I also have a omega sea master and a IWC regulateur in he "after" collection.

Hkexpat183 · 21 April 2016, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric5964

Would not want to lose the platinum Day Date myself

EricE

That would be true hardest one for me to give up. But for a 5970 which is arguably one of the best Pateks I would consider giving up the platinum dd2.

Speed · 21 April 2016, 10:56 PM

Yes

beancooker · 21 April 2016, 10:58 PM

Giving up four daily wearable watches for one that rides the shelf if a safe. I would have to pass.
Plus the DD is just a sweet watch, wouldn't want to let that go if I already had it.

BLACKHORSE 6 · 21 April 2016, 11:00 PM

Any way you would consider keeping the DayDate and flipping the YG GMT instead?

If the 5970 is going to be a safe queen, what's the point? I understand babying a watch like that but to never wear it would be a shame.

Vinyasa · 21 April 2016, 11:01 PM

Heck yes. That would be an impressive collection.

RHIII · 21 April 2016, 11:04 PM

Honestly, for me it would totally depend on how much wrist time it would get.

I'm pretty function oriented - if you will.

The ones on the 'chopping block' are awesome daily wearers...

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AK797 · 21 April 2016, 11:08 PM

A tough one, the 5970 is def one of the watches I would consolidate a whole lot for, but the J is my least favourite, I prefer the R and the P ofc. I would keep the AP 44mm and 5980/1R and 1/2 others.

RMC12 · 21 April 2016, 11:10 PM

Not a chance for me if it is going to sit in the safe! There are far better things than watches to invest your money in which is essentially all you are talking about doing. Plus to actually get rid of your DD and SkyD to do it seems ludicrous.

That said, only you can know what it will mean to you to own the Patek whether its in the safe or not!!!

Samui · 21 April 2016, 11:30 PM

I would sell the 4 rolex. I love the APs you have but rolex can go for the grail.

conkers · 22 April 2016, 01:06 AM

30k below market? Pls PM me if you don't proceed and I will buy it in a flash!

kunlun · 22 April 2016, 01:14 AM

For a watch that will sit in a safe it makes no sense. There are much better investments to make.

Hkexpat183 · 22 April 2016, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conkers

30k below market? Pls PM me if you don't proceed and I will buy it in a flash!

I don't know what retail is but I see them going for US$150k in the states brand new. If retail is $150k then yes the price I was quoted was $30k below retail.

Le Chef · 22 April 2016, 01:42 AM

Sell:
1) Rolex WG skydweller
2) Rolex platinum day date 2
3) Rolex DSSD
4) Rolex YG GMT2c

Keep:
1) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty
2) AP 15202 jumbo
3) Patek 59801r
4) Patek 5970j

Stuxnet · 22 April 2016, 01:56 AM

Sell Rolex and AP. Buy Patek. Simple.

yyzpam · 22 April 2016, 03:07 AM

I have to agree with those in the NO camp. I have had the pleasure of owning (currently and in past) several of the models you list.

The pieces that you are looking to give up give your collection fantastic wear-ability and diversity. IMHO They also happen to be some of the coolest watches around....period.

I would not give all of them up for what is undeniably a fantastic horological model....that would wind up sitting in the safe.

Let us know what you decide.

rolex_addict · 22 April 2016, 07:18 AM

I would definitely trade them for a 5970

Hairdude1 · 22 April 2016, 08:53 AM

I would given what you will still have in the collection

Snow-Dweller · 22 April 2016, 09:01 AM

I wouldn't

kneedeep · 22 April 2016, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Chef

Sell:
1) Rolex WG skydweller
2) Rolex platinum day date 2
3) Rolex DSSD
4) Rolex YG GMT2c

Keep:
1) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty
2) AP 15202 jumbo
3) Patek 59801r
4) Patek 5970j

This, but only if you will wear all 4 keepers in rotation. Later add back the platinum DD2.

el1125 · 22 April 2016, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kneedeep

This, but only if you will wear all 4 keepers in rotation. Later add back the platinum DD2.

Agree. Perfect lineup now..

21 April 2016, 10:11 PM	#1
Hkexpat183 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 267	I was walking around today in HK and stopped by a grey seller shop here in HK that I use to frequent but hadn't been in for quite some time. BOOM...there it was in the glass window display. A Patek 5970j brand new. The owner told me he has another one that is 99% condition. Price seems to be very attractive and ~$30k below what I've seen advertised by sellers in the states. With the used one being $10k less than the new one. Question I am debating now is whether to trade in a bulk of my collection to obtain this monster! I would need to sell the following to make the numbers work: (1) Rolex WG skydweller (2) Rolex platinum day date 2 (3) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty (4) AP 15202 jumbo This would leave me with: (1) Patek 59801r (2) Patek 5970j (3) Rolex DSSD (4) Rolex YG GMT2c Would you do it? Kind of fun thinking about it! Going to post in the Patek forum as well to get balanced views. I was walking around today in HK and stopped by a grey seller shop here in HK that I use to frequent but hadn't been in for quite some time. BOOM...there it was in the glass window display. A Patek 5970j brand new. The owner told me he has another one that is 99% condition. Price seems to be very attractive and ~$30k below what I've seen advertised by sellers in the states. With the used one being $10k less than the new one. Question I am debating now is whether to trade in a bulk of my collection to obtain this monster! I would need to sell the following to make the numbers work: (1) Rolex WG skydweller (2) Rolex platinum day date 2 (3) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty (4) AP 15202 jumbo This would leave me with: (1) Patek 59801r (2) Patek 5970j (3) Rolex DSSD (4) Rolex YG GMT2c Would you do it? Kind of fun thinking about it! Going to post in the Patek forum as well to get balanced views. __________________ PP 5980-1R / [Rolex WG Sky-Dweller] / AP 44mm RG ROO / Rolex DSSD / Rolex Pt Day Date II / AP 15202 40th Anniversary / Rolex YG GMTIIc / Rolex Sea Dweller / IWC SS Regulateur / Omega Sea Master Professional / Rolex TT DateJust Last edited by mailman; 22 April 2016 at 10:02 AM..

21 April 2016, 10:19 PM	#2
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,895	Yes given what you are selling, I would do this in a split second. __________________ Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Glashutte Senator Exellence, Rolex 116710 GMT Master II BLNR, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent

21 April 2016, 10:35 PM	#4
joli160 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,342	I would not part with the SKD and DD against this one __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

21 April 2016, 10:36 PM	#5
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,806	Awesome grail but there is some lovely watches you would be losing, and while I have no worries about wearing a platinum DD anywhere they would be another step up again on a leather strap, I would worry about losing it. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

21 April 2016, 10:44 PM	#8
Jack T "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Jack Location: The Triangle Watch: Several Posts: 6,623	Giving up the platinum DD, among others, for a safe queen? Not for me, but I'm in a different place with watches. And I'm not as much of a fan of the heavy duty dive watches. But you've got a very exclusive collection. And not to be persnickety, but there is no 'ultimate' Grail...it's either a grail or not. __________________ Sub 116613 LN; GMT 116710 LN; Sinn 104R; Exp 214270; GS SBGM221; Omega AT

21 April 2016, 10:20 PM	#3
dominic.warren "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Someone Location: Somwhere Watch: Tudor LHD Posts: 1,001	Wow! H I just looked at google what a nice piece. My holy grail is a Patek 5036j. I obviously am not at your level but with the pieces you have listed as keeping I would go for it. Good luck and wear that amazing collection in good health.

21 April 2016, 10:41 PM	#7
lain09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: CA Posts: 149	Yes I definitely would consolidate. Your 'after' collection is much more attractive to me.

21 April 2016, 10:46 PM	#9
Eric5964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex/Omega/Brtlg Posts: 461	Would not want to lose the platinum Day Date myself EricE __________________ EricE Watch addict Michigan

21 April 2016, 10:56 PM	#12
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	Yes

21 April 2016, 10:58 PM	#13
beancooker "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Noah Location: Rain City, WA. Watch: Yachtmaster 16623 Posts: 162	Giving up four daily wearable watches for one that rides the shelf if a safe. I would have to pass. Plus the DD is just a sweet watch, wouldn't want to let that go if I already had it.

21 April 2016, 11:00 PM	#14
BLACKHORSE 6 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: USA Watch: Rolex SS Daytona Posts: 2,623	Any way you would consider keeping the DayDate and flipping the YG GMT instead? If the 5970 is going to be a safe queen, what's the point? I understand babying a watch like that but to never wear it would be a shame.

21 April 2016, 11:01 PM	#15
Vinyasa "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: Maine Watch: Explorer II 16570 Posts: 1,396	Heck yes. That would be an impressive collection.

21 April 2016, 11:04 PM	#16
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	Consolidate for 1 ultimate Grail? Honestly, for me it would totally depend on how much wrist time it would get. I'm pretty function oriented - if you will. The ones on the 'chopping block' are awesome daily wearers... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 April 2016, 11:08 PM	#17
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,219	A tough one, the 5970 is def one of the watches I would consolidate a whole lot for, but the J is my least favourite, I prefer the R and the P ofc. I would keep the AP 44mm and 5980/1R and 1/2 others.

21 April 2016, 11:10 PM	#18
RMC12 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Jon Location: UK Watch: Smurf/Hulk/1680 Posts: 2,920	Not a chance for me if it is going to sit in the safe! There are far better things than watches to invest your money in which is essentially all you are talking about doing. Plus to actually get rid of your DD and SkyD to do it seems ludicrous. That said, only you can know what it will mean to you to own the Patek whether its in the safe or not!!!

21 April 2016, 11:30 PM	#19
Samui Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Tokyo Posts: 611	I would sell the 4 rolex. I love the APs you have but rolex can go for the grail.

22 April 2016, 01:06 AM	#20
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,994	30k below market? Pls PM me if you don't proceed and I will buy it in a flash!

22 April 2016, 01:14 AM	#21
kunlun "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 1,894	For a watch that will sit in a safe it makes no sense. There are much better investments to make.

22 April 2016, 01:42 AM	#23
Le Chef "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,005	Different list of watches to sell Sell: 1) Rolex WG skydweller 2) Rolex platinum day date 2 3) Rolex DSSD 4) Rolex YG GMT2c Keep: 1) AP RG ROO 44mm novelty 2) AP 15202 jumbo 3) Patek 59801r 4) Patek 5970j

22 April 2016, 01:56 AM	#24
Stuxnet Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 570	Sell Rolex and AP. Buy Patek. Simple.

22 April 2016, 03:07 AM	#25
yyzpam "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: YYZ Watch: PP AP Rolex PAM Posts: 348	I have to agree with those in the NO camp. I have had the pleasure of owning (currently and in past) several of the models you list. The pieces that you are looking to give up give your collection fantastic wear-ability and diversity. IMHO They also happen to be some of the coolest watches around....period. I would not give all of them up for what is undeniably a fantastic horological model....that would wind up sitting in the safe. Let us know what you decide.

22 April 2016, 07:18 AM	#26
rolex_addict "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: . Posts: 831	I would definitely trade them for a 5970

22 April 2016, 08:53 AM	#27
Hairdude1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Chicago Watch: AP,PP, Rolex Posts: 37,156	I would given what you will still have in the collection __________________ Instagram: @Hairdude Watches in Collection 5070R, 5522A, 214270 MK1, 228238 16750, 26401, 5711, 116718, 116710LN, 116300, 16710"Coke", 372, 15300, 15703 (All Flipped) Official Member "Perpetual 30" Las Vegas GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas Int'l GTG 2018

22 April 2016, 09:01 AM	#28
Snow-Dweller 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Clive Location: The Alps Watch: collections change Posts: 6,270	I wouldn't __________________ . The path from WIShood to WISdom can have many turnings... ——————————————————————————————————— . 16803. 16570. 18038. 114300. BB58. GMW-B5000D.

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