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mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 03:02 AM

Hey TRF,
My buddy was drunk ebaying and bought the below watch (in the link) when the Broncos won this weekend.
My only concern is the dial. Do you think this is aftermarket?
I have never seen an orange face.
The case and bracelet look like like my Tudor 90120 from the same era.
Once it comes I'll have him take to an AD and authticate the movement etc.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Oyster...p2047675.l2557

GLADIATOR · 28 September 2016, 03:41 AM

" 5 available"?
Really this guy has 5 identical 1960s pieces?

He does say restored and I suspect dial is part of that. No movement photo
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antrolexsub · 28 September 2016, 04:02 AM

Dial is 100% refinished. Should be a 1565 inside non hacking non quickset movement. Bracelet is almost certainly not original to the watch. Looks to be genuine but a later addition. Can't be 100% sure though as I can't see enough detail from the images provided.

htbilgic · 28 September 2016, 04:26 AM

Yep, repainted dial and wrong bracelet for this 1500. Definitely waaaay overpriced.

crowncollection · 28 September 2016, 05:51 AM

Refinished dial and way overpriced

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mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Dial is 100% refinished. Should be a 1565 inside non hacking non quickset movement. Bracelet is almost certainly not original to the watch. Looks to be genuine but a later addition. Can't be 100% sure though as I can't see enough detail from the images provided.

Quote:

Originally Posted by htbilgic

Yep, repainted dial and wrong bracelet for this 1500. Definitely waaaay overpriced.

Thanks I will check the movement when it comes.
The seller claims that there is a 30 day guarantee of authenticity.
Would you consider the wrong bracelet as basis to return the watch for not being authentic. This is assuming my friend doesn't like the watch once I tell him the potentially bad news.

Sidebar: as I am typing this, I started cracking up because this sounds like all of those bogus "my friend has this watch I need you to authenticate"

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Refinished dial and way overpriced

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He negotiated for $2750.
Is that a fair price with the a repainted dial and wrong bracelet?

TimeToGo · 28 September 2016, 06:55 AM

Are you a Bronco's fan ?!

Knappo 1307 · 28 September 2016, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Are you a Bronco's fan ?!

I'm beginning to think so...

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Are you a Bronco's fan ?!

I bleed orange,but I'm not putting sports themed watch on my wrist unless I own said team.

CLTRolex · 28 September 2016, 07:59 AM

My buddy was drunk ebaying

Tell us more about this..... what else has he bought?

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLTRolex

My buddy was drunk ebaying

Tell us more about this..... what else has he bought?

This is his first vintage watch. I told him to stay away from ebay (especially when wasted or bored) until he had some sperience (yes i spelled experience that way on purpose; old Richard Pryor joke).

cenzor · 28 September 2016, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mdotpoker

He negotiated for $2750.
Is that a fair price with the a repainted dial and wrong bracelet?

Sounds like 1000$ too much.
For 2750 he can get mint Rolex 15210 or similiar, late 90' or early 2000s.

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cenzor

Sounds like 1000$ too much.

For 2750 he can get mint Rolex 15210 or similiar, late 90' or early 2000s.

Well that's how we learn. I bet he'll listen to me next time.
I'll post an update when it arrives with pics.
Thanks to everyone for your speedy response.

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CLTRolex · 28 September 2016, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

This is his first vintage watch. I told him to stay away from ebay (especially when wasted or bored) until he had some sperience (yes i spelled experience that way on purpose; old Richard Pryor joke).

I mean - what else has he bought while drinking? Interested in where this could go...I know some people that hit up amazon while trashed...

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CLTRolex

I mean - what else has he bought while drinking? Interested in where this could go...I know some people that hit up amazon while trashed...

Nothing that I'm aware of other than spending too much at the gentlemens club.

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GGGMT · 28 September 2016, 11:20 AM

Hilarious! Orange Crush!

crowncollection · 28 September 2016, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

He negotiated for $2750.
Is that a fair price with the a repainted dial and wrong bracelet?

about 1000 too high

Al1969 · 28 September 2016, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

Thanks I will check the movement when it comes.
The seller claims that there is a 30 day guarantee of authenticity.
Would you consider the wrong bracelet as basis to return the watch for not being authentic. This is assuming my friend doesn't like the watch once I tell him the potentially bad news.

Sidebar: as I am typing this, I started cracking up because this sounds like all of those bogus "my friend has this watch I need you to authenticate"

It sure does.

mdotpoker · 28 September 2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Al1969

It sure does.

Hahahahahahahaha

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cenzor · 28 September 2016, 03:07 PM

There are worse cases than this Rolex purchase . :)

htbilgic · 30 September 2016, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

He negotiated for $2750.
Is that a fair price with the a repainted dial and wrong bracelet?

Nope, it's still too much. I wouldn't pay more than $1.3K for it.

htbilgic · 30 September 2016, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

Sidebar: as I am typing this, I started cracking up because this sounds like all of those bogus "my friend has this watch I need you to authenticate"

so true!

Beauregard · 30 September 2016, 11:40 AM

You need to let your drunk buddy know about the eBay "adult" section. At least he might end up with something useful... for fifteen minutes.

ALL CATEGORIES > EVERYTHING ELSE > ADULT

mdotpoker · 1 October 2016, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htbilgic

Yep, repainted dial and wrong bracelet for this 1500. Definitely waaaay overpriced.

Update: I just got off facetime with my buddy. The bracelet is a 78350 which I think is for a 5500 Air King. No problem ( he doesn't care about that detail so neither do I). There are 3 other issues that concern me.
1. The serial number on the case starts at 142,000. That seems like a strange number to start at. It also looks like there is a number scratched out before the 142,000. I couldn't tell over facetime. The model number says 1500.

2. The crown does not screw down flush like my Rolexes.

3. He says he can feel the rotor when wearing it. I suspect it feels like the wobble in my Walden international with the Valjoux 7751.
Tomorrow I will take him to my watch maker to pop the back off and go from there and post pics.
I will give another update tomorrow.

mdotpoker · 1 October 2016, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cenzor

There are worse cases than this Rolex purchase . :)

This is hilarious

antrolexsub · 1 October 2016, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdotpoker

Update: I just got off facetime with my buddy. The bracelet is a 78350 which I think is for a 5500 Air King. No problem ( he doesn't care about that detail so neither do I). There are 3 other issues that concern me.
1. The serial number on the case starts at 142,000. That seems like a strange number to start at. It also looks like there is a number scratched out before the 142,000. I couldn't tell over facetime. The model number says 1500.

2. The crown does not screw down flush like my Rolexes.

3. He says he can feel the rotor when wearing it. I suspect it feels like the wobble in my Walden international with the Valjoux 7751.
Tomorrow I will take him to my watch maker to pop the back off and go from there and post pics.
I will give another update tomorrow.

142,000 serial would be far to early for this watch, that would date it at around 1940. My guess would be it's a 1,142,000 dating the watch to around the mid 60's which would be correct. If it looks like natural bracelet wear on the serial, I wouldn't worry.

I have a 1500 on my desk now with a 1565 movement in with the original butterfly rotor on. The rotor axles on these are known to wear out causing the rotor to clunk about when worn. Mine needs replacing. I suspect the same thing with your friends watch, the axle/rotor is worn and needs replacing. They do however make a bit of noise even when freshly replaced. Depends on how bad the noise is. If it's more of a scraping noise then the rotor is rubbing on the bridges/caseback then it definitely needs replacing.

mdotpoker · 2 October 2016, 04:16 AM

Update: took it to the watch maker. the watch has a 1560 movement. The watchmaker told us that the movement is correct because Rolex made a mistake in the first few watches. It wobbles because it needs a new rotor axel. The date wheel is not from Rolex.
The serial number is 1,142,xxx and was rubbed due to bracelet wear. It has the wrong size crown which is why it's not screwing down correctly. The bracelet is wrong. He advised to send it back and get a refund. I hope he's learned a lesson.

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bayerische · 2 October 2016, 06:52 PM

Oh man. Hopefully he gets a refund on that Junk. And at that price! I'm sure the seller was ghost bidding on this one.

RKTudor · 2 October 2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bayerische

Oh man. Hopefully he gets a refund on that Junk. And at that price! I'm sure the seller was ghost bidding on this one.

That's the first thing I thought: total ghost bidder. No way that would go over $1,000. There might be $600/$800 of value in the parts considering condition.

28 September 2016, 03:02 AM	#1
mdotpoker "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: USA Posts: 86	Buddy was drunk ebaying Hey TRF, My buddy was drunk ebaying and bought the below watch (in the link) when the Broncos won this weekend. My only concern is the dial. Do you think this is aftermarket? I have never seen an orange face. The case and bracelet look like like my Tudor 90120 from the same era. Once it comes I'll have him take to an AD and authticate the movement etc. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Oyster...p2047675.l2557

28 September 2016, 03:41 AM	#2
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	" 5 available"? Really this guy has 5 identical 1960s pieces? He does say restored and I suspect dial is part of that. No movement photo a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

28 September 2016, 05:51 AM	#5
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Refinished dial and way overpriced Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

28 September 2016, 07:59 AM	#11
CLTRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Charlotte/London Watch: Multiple Posts: 889	My buddy was drunk ebaying Tell us more about this..... what else has he bought? __________________ ♕ Daytona - 116506 ♕ GMT-Master II - 116710BLNR ♕ Yacht-Master II - 116680 ♕ Daytona - 116520 ♕ Explorer II - 16570

30 September 2016, 11:40 AM	#24
Beauregard "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Beau Location: Avila Beach, CA Watch: Rolex 116719BLRO Posts: 971	You need to let your drunk buddy know about the eBay "adult" section. At least he might end up with something useful... for fifteen minutes. ALL CATEGORIES > EVERYTHING ELSE > ADULT __________________ I am the milkman of human kindness.

28 September 2016, 04:02 AM	#3
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 758	Dial is 100% refinished. Should be a 1565 inside non hacking non quickset movement. Bracelet is almost certainly not original to the watch. Looks to be genuine but a later addition. Can't be 100% sure though as I can't see enough detail from the images provided.

28 September 2016, 04:26 AM	#4
htbilgic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Chicago Watch: Doxa Pro 300 NoT Posts: 535	Yep, repainted dial and wrong bracelet for this 1500. Definitely waaaay overpriced.

28 September 2016, 06:55 AM	#8
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,591	Are you a Bronco's fan ?!

28 September 2016, 11:20 AM	#17
GGGMT 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,062	Hilarious! Orange Crush!

28 September 2016, 03:07 PM	#21
cenzor "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Sofia Watch: Corum Admirals Cup Posts: 332	There are worse cases than this Rolex purchase . :)

2 October 2016, 04:16 AM	#28
mdotpoker "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: USA Posts: 86	Buddy was drunk ebaying Update: took it to the watch maker. the watch has a 1560 movement. The watchmaker told us that the movement is correct because Rolex made a mistake in the first few watches. It wobbles because it needs a new rotor axel. The date wheel is not from Rolex. The serial number is 1,142,xxx and was rubbed due to bracelet wear. It has the wrong size crown which is why it's not screwing down correctly. The bracelet is wrong. He advised to send it back and get a refund. I hope he's learned a lesson. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 October 2016, 06:52 PM	#29
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Oh man. Hopefully he gets a refund on that Junk. And at that price! I'm sure the seller was ghost bidding on this one. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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