1966's GMT 1675 Gilit dial

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Provided that dial is legit....and I've no reason to believe it isn't ...that dial is in fantastic shape. Like new? No. But, looking at all the '66 GMTs for sale out there, it's gorgeous.

I look forward in seeing it in person tomorrow and will post some pictures.
How do you tell if a glit dial is original or fake?

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by roh123

Spiderwebbing is damage but the important thing is still the gloss. I'd rather have a spiderwebbed glossy dial than a none-spiderwebbed gilt dial which lost it's gloss.

Here's a nice glossy 6542 I used to own. I prefer that one everyday to a gilt dial that lost its gloss.

Thanks for the post, very nice spider gloss glit dial.

[KarlFr]

looks to me like a nice gilt gmt ´66 where a watchmaker (or nature) has chipped off some tips of the lume dots (sometimes done before during service where small dark stains).

Hands looks to me to be replaced/relumed at some point but not 100% sure. I would definitely ask for a pic of the lume in darkness showing the glow of hands/dial. Possibly dial glows here but not hands.

Also would like a picture of what under the caseback. Sometimes pristine on surface could shown pitting/corroded around case/caseback.
Just my humble 5c

[Tom1675]

Gotta say overall a great looking piece but I would want to negotiate the price of an insert out of whatever I think thought this watch is worth... Find an insert you like before getting into the deal... at this price point this watch deserves to be correct.

[nuno116600]

I went to the shop today and the shop showed me the serial and ref number on the case side, he also showed me the case back which had 65 ingraived(not laser printed)
All seemed good. He did not want me to take pictures.

The gloss dial is one of the best I have ever seen, I have taken pictures so please have a look and a video on my google photos page link bellow.

https://*******/photos/53B7DXbYbt8HH9tb6

he was open about the hands had been relumed(both dots and hand glow, but dots are more green, where as the hand are white-ish, insert are fat fonts but probably changed at some stage,

I have verbaly agreed on mid 18K.
Please let me know your thoughts on watch and price.

[Sky21]

Hello, it seems like you have a very good grasp on what kind of watch you are buying. We will have to take your word on the movement and caseback, but if he opened it up for you and everything looked good then that's a good sign. The bezel insert is not original but it is very nice. The hands have been relumed and possibly replaced. The gloss dial looks very nice but possibly relumed as well. The case looks to be in very good shape, not overly polished. You are getting two rivet bracelets, which are very expensive on their own. You, and everyone here, can continue to pick this watch apart forever, but you are the one buying it. Do you like it now that you have held it in your hands? Will you be happy wearing and owning it? If you are a watch enthusiast and not a serious vintage collector, which applies to most of us, then it doesn't need to be perfectly original, just perfect for you. I think it looks nice, way out of my price range, but I would be happy to own it. Good luck, and come back and post some wrist shots if you close the deal.

[roh123]

I believe I have a pretty good reference example if needed. It's tropical but still maintains perfect gloss and an unpolished case.

I uploaded a gif to show the gloss but as I'm not sure if everyone wants to load it with their internet; please click the link to Imgur where it is hosted.

http://imgur.com/a/NxlBx

[Sky21]

Originally Posted by roh123

I believe I have a pretty good reference example if needed. It's tropical but still maintains perfect gloss and an unpolished case.

I uploaded a gif to show the gloss but as I'm not sure if everyone wants to load it with their internet; please click the link to Imgur where it is hosted.

http://imgur.com/a/NxlBx

So shiny!! And those lugs, awesome for a 50 year old watch.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Sky21

Hello, it seems like you have a very good grasp on what kind of watch you are buying. We will have to take your word on the movement and caseback, but if he opened it up for you and everything looked good then that's a good sign. The bezel insert is not original but it is very nice. The hands have been relumed and possibly replaced. The gloss dial looks very nice but possibly relumed as well. The case looks to be in very good shape, not overly polished. You are getting two rivet bracelets, which are very expensive on their own. You, and everyone here, can continue to pick this watch apart forever, but you are the one buying it. Do you like it now that you have held it in your hands? Will you be happy wearing and owning it? If you are a watch enthusiast and not a serious vintage collector, which applies to most of us, then it doesn't need to be perfectly original, just perfect for you. I think it looks nice, way out of my price range, but I would be happy to own it. Good luck, and come back and post some wrist shots if you close the deal.

Thanks for all your advice, I do belive I will be happy wearing this watch and passing it on to my son.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by roh123

I believe I have a pretty good reference example if needed. It's tropical but still maintains perfect gloss and an unpolished case.

I uploaded a gif to show the gloss but as I'm not sure if everyone wants to load it with their internet; please click the link to Imgur where it is hosted.

http://imgur.com/a/NxlBx

Perfect gloss dial and tropical too! Thank you for sharing.

[Sky21]

Originally Posted by nuno116600

Thanks for all your advice, I do belive I will be happy wearing this watch and passing it on to my son.

In the end, that is what is most important, congrats on your new gilt 1675.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Sky21

In the end, that is what is most important, congrats on your new gilt 1675.

Thank you, hopfully tomorrow I will be the proud owner!

[saskmh]

A point of frustration for me.....I see tons of 1675's listed as "gilt" dials when they have no gold printing. Why are people calling white printed dials (or even silver printed dials for that matter) gilt dials???

The definition of "gilt" is the thin layering of gold leaf as in gilt printing etc.

Is there something I am missing here?

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by saskmh

A point of frustration for me.....I see tons of 1675's listed as "gilt" dials when they have no gold printing. Why are people calling white printed dials (or even silver printed dials for that matter) gilt dials???

The definition of "gilt" is the thin layering of gold leaf as in gilt printing etc.

Is there something I am missing here?

Can you post an example of what you're talking about? But, bear in mind, in photos, a gilt dial can look somewhat white, because of the light. But, yes, gilt means gold.

[springer]

Originally Posted by saskmh

A point of frustration for me.....I see tons of 1675's listed as "gilt" dials when they have no gold printing. Why are people calling white printed dials (or even silver printed dials for that matter) gilt dials???

The definition of "gilt" is the thin layering of gold leaf as in gilt printing etc.

Is there something I am missing here?

Yes you are missing something. In fact, in most photos of the gilt dials, it is hard to distinguish the gold or "gilt" lettering. Make no mistake about the terminology, it is not gilt, but in fact looks like gold or "gilt" lettering hence the name - gilt dial. The gold coloring is from the base plate of the dial which is brass and the "gilt" color comes from the dial plate where the lettering is not painted when the dial is manufactured. Clear lacquer is sprayed on the dial which protects the dial and lettering from deterioration hence the name "glossy dial.".

Below is a gilt GMT circa 1965.

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by springer

Yes you are missing something. In fact, in most photos of the gilt dials, it is hard to distinguish the gold or "gilt" lettering. Make no mistake about the terminology, it is not gilt, but in fact looks like gold or "gilt" lettering hence the name - gilt dial. The gold coloring is from the base plate of the dial which is brass and the "gilt" color comes from the dial plate where the lettering is not painted when the dial is manufactured. Clear lacquer is sprayed on the dial which protects the dial and lettering from deterioration hence the name "glossy dial.".

Below is a gilt GMT circa 1965.

This is a good example of the lettering not painted.

[saskmh]

Originally Posted by springer

Yes you are missing something. In fact, in most photos of the gilt dials, it is hard to distinguish the gold or "gilt" lettering. Make no mistake about the terminology, it is not gilt, but in fact looks like gold or "gilt" lettering hence the name - gilt dial. The gold coloring is from the base plate of the dial which is brass and the "gilt" color comes from the dial plate where the lettering is not painted when the dial is manufactured. Clear lacquer is sprayed on the dial which protects the dial and lettering from deterioration hence the name "glossy dial.".

Below is a gilt GMT circa 1965.

Thanks for the explanation. I could never understand why dials with "white" looking printing were referred to as gilt dials when the ones that were obviously printed in gold seemed to be the gilt models.

[nuno116600]

Thanks to all your advice and education, I bought the watch today.
Although the hands, besel insert are not original to its age, the gloss dial was too nice to pass. Again thanks for all your help.

[Kingface66]

Congrats!!

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Congrats!!

Thank you!


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[Tom1675]

Congrats!!!!

[saskmh]

The gloss on that dial is stunning. Congrats!

[DarknerImperator]

Really nice dial!!!

Big Congrats!! ;)

[roh123]

Great job! Congrats

Dial is beautiful with perfect gloss. Happy for you

[Sky21]

Congrats on a great purchase, happy you got a good one and negotiated the price down a bit as well. Enjoy that beautiful watch.

[JustinK]

Nice gilt. Congrats!

[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by Tom1675

Congrats!!!!

Thank you!


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[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by saskmh

The gloss on that dial is stunning. Congrats!

It was difficult to find a good gloss dial so I am happy. Thank you.


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[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by DarknerImperator

Really nice dial!!!



Big Congrats!! ;)

Thank you!!


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[nuno116600]

Originally Posted by roh123

Great job! Congrats

Dial is beautiful with perfect gloss. Happy for you

Thank you for all your advice!


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