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Old 6 April 2022, 01:07 PM   #31
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I'm so sorry about what happened to you, this is how I handled my transaction, just an info you

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Big difference between doing a transaction with someone who owns a renown storefront vs meeting a random at a fast food joint.
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Old 6 April 2022, 01:10 PM   #32
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That is really horrible. I am just curious though, I am trying to understand what the police could or would do at this point. It was a private transaction, and you were not held up at gunpoint, so at this point, if they would catch the guy, he could just say that he did give all the money at the agreed upon price, and that you are the one trying to rip him off? It is he said she said at this point. It is a horrible way to look at it, however, that is how these scum bags think. Just wondering if I was missing something here.
This is theft by deception. And because of the dollar amount, this would be considered a felony in California.
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Old 7 April 2022, 01:12 AM   #33
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Big difference between doing a transaction with someone who owns a renown storefront vs meeting a random at a fast food joint.
Exactly my point
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Old 7 April 2022, 01:35 AM   #34
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Old 8 April 2022, 08:55 AM   #35
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That's crazy

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Old 8 April 2022, 09:39 AM   #36
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Old 9 April 2022, 01:20 PM   #37
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I’m a little lost and confused here and it seems several folks asked the same question that has yet to have been answered. How did you go from counting out all the money on top of the table, it being correct, and then you leaving with a stack of ones……?
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Old 9 April 2022, 05:30 PM   #38
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Probably something along the lines of, "here, let me put it back in the envelope for you."

Sorry to hear OP - that's just lousy.
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Exactly what happened and my best guess on when he did the switch.

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I’m a little lost and confused here and it seems several folks asked the same question that has yet to have been answered. How did you go from counting out all the money on top of the table, it being correct, and then you leaving with a stack of ones……?
See above on how it happened. I still think there’s more to the story.

So sorry this happened OP.
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Old 9 April 2022, 10:58 PM   #39
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Ahh I see now. That’s craY. I would hve never let him touch anything once he handed it over. Still seems strange and confused. Sry this happened.
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Old 9 April 2022, 11:00 PM   #40
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Thief had mad skills. Sleight of hand is hard. Have to appreciate the dexterity. But yeah he needs to be caught and put in jail.

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Old 9 April 2022, 11:01 PM   #41
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Also please let us know what the insurance company says.

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Old 16 April 2022, 09:03 AM   #42
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See above on how it happened. I still think there’s more to the story.

So sorry this happened OP.
I think that if the OP explained the sleight of hand technique used; it might help someone avoid the same scenario in the future. Regardless, I hope this guy is caught.
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Old 19 April 2022, 04:31 PM   #43
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Did you post his on Moda Fbook group recently? if not, the identical thing happened as well. There were some people offering advice on the name of the scammer, if you happen to find the post..
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Old 19 April 2022, 06:41 PM   #44
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I wouldn't wish it on anybody, but at least a lesson has been learned. A hard lesson, but the ones worth learning always are. I always sell my watches to an established buyer with a store. I may get a bit less but I assume less risk.

I hope the insurance comes through. You won't see the watch or the scammer again.
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Old 19 April 2022, 07:03 PM   #45
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I really don't understand how this can happen. I mean how does the buyer still get access to the money after he made payment?
And what trick is it that changes $100 bills to papper?

I'm sorry OP. Hope it gets sorted out.
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Old 20 April 2022, 08:21 AM   #46
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Thief had mad skills. Sleight of hand is hard. Have to appreciate the dexterity. But yeah he needs to be caught and put in jail.

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What doesn’t make sense is; what would the thief had done if the seller said “no I don’t want to hand you back the envelope of money after I’ve counted it” and just kept it put in their pocket?
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Old 20 April 2022, 08:48 AM   #47
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What doesn’t make sense is; what would the thief had done if the seller said “no I don’t want to hand you back the envelope of money after I’ve counted it” and just kept it put in their pocket?
One likely possibility:

Probably try to back out of the deal, and if that didn't work, follow the seller after the transaction for a nice little strong-arm robbery to get the cash back (and/or the watch too, if the seller agreed to cancel the deal).
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Old 20 April 2022, 06:19 PM   #48
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I really don't understand how this can happen. I mean how does the buyer still get access to the money after he made payment?
And what trick is it that changes $100 bills to papper?

I'm sorry OP. Hope it gets sorted out.

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Old 23 April 2022, 11:29 AM   #49
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I call BS on this. How in the world does someone count the cash than lose it.

I hope I am wrong and the OP gets the watch back. Just sounds strange.
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Old 23 April 2022, 08:20 PM   #50
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I call BS on this. How in the world does someone count the cash than lose it.

I hope I am wrong and the OP gets the watch back. Just sounds strange.
I don't think it's BS. Ever been to a magic show?
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Old 23 April 2022, 08:34 PM   #51
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I don't think it's BS. Ever been to a magic show?
Yep. It is called sleight of hand.
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Old 28 April 2022, 09:17 AM   #52
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Old 28 April 2022, 12:47 PM   #53
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This is theft by deception. And because of the dollar amount, this would be considered a felony in California.
This would warrant a theft by deception charge all day, everyday, in Alabama as well, but this is….hard to believe.

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Old 22 May 2022, 09:34 PM   #54
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OP…can you describe the person? Overweight, white, dark/gray hair, hat (baseball or driving cap)?
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Old 22 May 2022, 09:48 PM   #55
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Old 4 August 2022, 10:52 PM   #56
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This is the same guy who scammed me. Sounds like he moves a lot to avoid getting caught.


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Old 5 August 2022, 05:17 AM   #57
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Old 6 August 2022, 03:13 AM   #58
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OP, I am so sorry this happened to you. When I sell, I meet the buyer at a banking institution of my choice and have the teller count, verify the banknotes and immediately deposit in my account. Did you count the bills and handed them back to the buyer? I don't understand how he could switch them once they were in your hands.
yes this is the best way - i did this when selling my car
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Old 6 August 2022, 03:41 AM   #59
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yes this is the best way - i did this when selling my car
Same here, also helps in the sense that you can not only verify the amount is correct and bills are legit, but being able to immediately deposit it means the person can't wait for you outside and mug you for the cash they just handed to you.
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Old 6 August 2022, 04:50 AM   #60
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I just got scammed by a face to face buyer. Buyer paid cash and we did the transaction inside a fast food place. I counted the money right on top of the table. This guy was like a magician. He was able to switch the bundle of cash with a slight of hand. When I got home to check to cash again it was only $100 bill on top were it was visible thought the envelope’s window and the rest were $1’s . I learned an expensive lesson today.

Posting photos of the watch and serial number just in case someone here sees it for sale. I was the second owner of the watch and the card wasn’t under my name.

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I heard a guy describe the internet as "Black Magic", obviously with all the criminals, you cannot be too careful. Thank you for posting, its a cautionary tale! Hope someone nails this A hole...
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