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24 September 2022, 06:22 PM | #1 |
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Entry level Patek
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All you patek experts here, I’m looking to buy an entry level patek, I guess it’s the calatrava. Is this model similar to Rolex models that it’s quite hard to get? Or can you just walk into any store? If not, how long is the usual waiting time for this watch? Cheers! |
24 September 2022, 11:26 PM | #2 |
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My AD for a while had no men's Patek watches in stock. Have not checked lately. Many Patek ADs have websites showing their inventory such as Betteridge. If there is stock showing, just call and order one. I would not believe the wait is long if there is no stock, but who knows on that. It varies with the AD and the people they have in line.
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24 September 2022, 11:33 PM | #3 |
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25 September 2022, 12:43 AM | #4 |
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That would be a 6119R/G or a 5738R. Both absolutely gorgeous and refined time pieces in precious metal. Can’t go wrong with either of them and will remain classics and will not easily go out of fashion.
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25 September 2022, 01:05 AM | #5 |
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Absurd to talk of an ‘entry level’ watch. That’s snobby sales nonsense. Entry into what? When are you finally ‘in’? A complication, grand complication, a minute repeater? How much does one have to spend to have ‘entered’? How many PP’s do you have to own?
Do not buy a PP just because it’s a PP. Buy one because you love it and can afford it. Don’t buy one thinking you have to upgrade a ‘level’ later. What would ‘upgrade’ a level mean exactly? |
25 September 2022, 01:44 AM | #6 | |
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How difficult is it to get any PP? Is it similar to Rolex these days that it’s quite impossible without “spend” history |
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25 September 2022, 01:55 AM | #7 |
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And also by entry level, I mean cheapest, since the watches are extremely expensive
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25 September 2022, 03:18 AM | #8 |
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Do not buy a watch just because it’s what you consider to be cheap.
If you do the maths you will soon see why they are hard to get.. 50-60,000 manufactured a year, 130 odd models, 450 odd dealers… Not all models are made in equal numbers… A dealer who you have previously purchased from will be more friendly than if you just walk in. Small single outlet dealers can be snooty as they have no problem selling the handful they get in annually. Do not get suckered into buying something you don’t want to get ‘on their list’. Lists are flexible and regulars may well move above you. They can also be used to keep you on the hook just in case they get one in and the intended customer changes their mind. Unless you plan to buy another PP your ‘entry level’ watch will be the only one you own. Remember, regular visits can be lucky as walk-ins at the right time - when the AD get their twice yearly stock in - can find you getting the one you want. It also reassures the AD you are serious. Remember you are buying a Veblen Good so you have to be a little nuts or a watch fanatic or usually both - ask me how I know. |
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That said, a ladies watch Calatrava or Twenty-4 series is the easiest to obtain and for men, it is generally a Calatrava then a Complications Perhaps a Gondola Forget the Aquanaut or Nautilus or Grand Complications |
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25 September 2022, 08:40 AM | #10 | |
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Regarding Betteridge, I looked up their inventory after reading your post and having had visited them in person before. I saw 5205 so immediately called. I spoke to their Vail store (no longer carries Patek) and their Aspen store. Per the 2 reps, their website is not reflective of their inventory but rather just examples. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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25 September 2022, 12:50 PM | #11 |
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i pop in my local ad once in awhile and his website is true to stock. 1 preowned 5196 and a gondolo at moment.
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25 September 2022, 11:04 PM | #13 |
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Calatrava's have become hard to get as of about 1.5-2yrs ago. There is no "entry level" - with a Calatrava, you're basically buying the finest pure dress watch that money can buy.
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Cheapest and entry level would be a 5167 but they won’t sell you one.
The aquanaut is more like a third or fifth PP. The newer Calatrava 6119 in R or G will likely be the easiest to obtain on the less expensive side. I would spend lots of time looking through the catalog and see what you love. You may be able to get an annual calendar or perpetual calendar easier than a time only or time and date. But if you want to stay on the low end maybe look at the 5227 or 5205. Those seem to be more available than other men watches. I visited an AD recently and all they had for sale were three ladies models, one of which was the 7234R which could be a mens watch at 37.5mm but the sticker price is around $50k. |
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When do you plan to sell?
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And back to your original question, without any spend history with an AD you will never get your watch
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Maybe, but what you may not be seeing is the difference between used retail and used wholesale. Dealers who sell a watch for whatever paid much less for it to make their needed profit margin to pay overhead and staff, even though they may charge over retail. If you are not well known with numerous references, it is very hard to come close to obtaining the price an established dealer could obtain on the same watch.
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OP, you seem to be looking to make a profit out of this. Joining the forum this month and asking about which Daytona configurations could still be obtainable and which entry level Patek won't lose value.
If you are a genuine collector just wanting to get hold of these pieces, I really feel for you, as it's nearly impossible with out a connection in an AD that has known you for like a decade, a family member owns an AD or you have a massive wallet and can just help the AD off load unwanted stock. If you are just in it to try and flip for profit, unfortunately the boat has sailed on that one a few years ago.
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Sadly you appear to be more interested in the ‘investment’ and price than the VALUE of the watch - that’s to say, how much you want to own it. The PP advertising slogan ought to give you a hint….. think about leaving it to your heirs!. There are some few models which have sparked off a craze and are in high demand which are therefore hard to get hold of. AD’s want to weed out flippers so they only sell those to customers they know. If they sniff out your seeming approach you would most likely be put on the ’wait’ (forever) list.
As I said above, PP’s are Veblen goods. PP don’t want to sell watches to dealers, their targets are owners and collectors. PP want to preserve a long term business not get on to a fashion or flipper roller coaster. Rarity and exclusivity is part of the appeal. It’s a tricky marketing problem for them. |
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You can make good money if you can get Nautilus/Aquanaut at MSRP.
How will you be able to get? You need to find out by yourself.
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This. It's also quite tiring to have people create the same threads over and over again instead of checking whether a topic has already been discussed.
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Tiffany dials do, but they're unobtanium.
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If the OP is wanting to consider some of the more “undervalued” (i.e., haven’t had crazy price run ups), I would consider some of the vintage steel pieces (like a 3419) or neo-vintage (like some of the ellipse models). No bargains, but far less craziness. Also highly recommend spending some time on the collectability website if the OP wants some serious Patek knowledge. Cheers.
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