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13 August 2019, 01:03 AM | #31 |
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What did he do to get banned?
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13 August 2019, 02:01 AM | #32 |
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13 August 2019, 02:12 AM | #33 |
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"Brian" was banned because he got his wires crossed and made a baseless allegation against a very well respected member who genuinely tried to help him obtain a special piece
He returned recently by creating another account and was promptly banned again |
13 August 2019, 04:21 AM | #34 | |
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For those who doesn’t know the story (and make long story short), Brian in Dec. 2007 bought a 5074 MR from a Taiwan AD whom claimed they just got it, Brian was still new to the scene and as he gotten to know more collectors, he heard whispers that the MR he bought wasn’t brand new, and in fact several AD VIPs have tried it on and also offered at a lower price. Through research, he learned one can tell production date from the warranty paper, the MR he bought was made in July 2006, armed with this info. and upset with a non responsive AD, he contacted Patek directly asking for explanation. 寄件者 Anne-Laure Briffod 收件者 lai 副本 WU SHANG Mr. Liu Ceasar (pp.taiwan@gmail.com) Dear Sir, Please accept our apology for the misinformation received from our Taiwanese retailer. We shall undertake, together with our local Distributor, the necessary action in order not to repeat such incident. Again, we do assure you that the watch you have purchased is new and the reason why the sealed plastic has been opened is because your watch has been checked by our local Service Center prior to delivery. We have taken good note of your comments regarding our price policy. For your information, avaibility for such model in Switzerland is between 12 to 18 months. This morning, we spoke over the phone with our Distributor, Wu Shang Trading. We understood that you have been able to speak with our retailer Pro Hopetime who has clarified the situation on his side. Yours sincerly, Anne-Laure Briffod Commercial Department anne-laure.briffod@patek.com Patek Philippe S.A. Chemin du Pont-du-Centenaire 141 Brain post all those letters and sales receipts in Chinese forum, anyways, Brain was able to get refund for the MR and the AD lost the AD status, and soon after Patek no longer print the four letter code on the warranty paper. Is Brian the reason why Patek stopped printing the code? You are the judge.... |
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13 August 2019, 08:47 AM | #35 |
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If that was me I’d be upset too, I mean it ain’t a Calatrava...
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13 August 2019, 09:02 AM | #36 |
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At least it wasnt a UK dealer hehehe
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13 August 2019, 01:30 PM | #37 |
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13 August 2019, 02:54 PM | #38 | |
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the whole plot sounds like a Netflix movie for watch enthusiasts... |
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13 August 2019, 04:49 PM | #39 | |
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And initially he posted this incident in a Taiwanese watch forum, but the forum was sponsored by ADs so they banned him. And Pro Hopetime (a big multi store AD that also carries Rolex, AP, ALS, VC, and etc) soon lost Patek AD status after posts were made online. I have no pity for shady ADs but this case cost Pro Hopetime millions......imagine all that lost Patek sales. By the way a side note, one of the letters Patek wrote to Brian claimed all MR sales required their approval but Brian said he was able to buy the MR on the spot. |
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13 August 2019, 07:21 PM | #40 |
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So why was he banned here? Because by the story, he sounds kick-ass and relentless in standing up for his (and our) consumer rights...
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13 August 2019, 09:27 PM | #41 |
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13 August 2019, 09:53 PM | #42 |
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So...
Back on the Boodles thing- i emailed Jaime. He responded saying that the regulator would be hard to source. I dropped Brian’s name, so response since. Hope I didnt screw myself... I’ll keep you guys posted, just for curiosity |
13 August 2019, 10:36 PM | #43 | |
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Also he doesn’t quite have the same pull anymore. Brian himself wrote in Chinese forum that UK AD no longer treat him the same (and that was a few years ago), he is up against other foreign buyers with far more spending power. |
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14 August 2019, 01:54 AM | #44 |
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Patek has told UK AD's to restrict sales to local customers unless the (foreign) customer has a long history of buying their watches.
That said, if you want something which isn't a 5231/Nautilus/Aquanaut, you can walk in and buy. And pay the sales tax... |
16 August 2019, 04:31 AM | #45 |
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16 August 2019, 04:44 AM | #46 |
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16 August 2019, 07:08 AM | #47 |
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The point being made is that currently it seems AD’s in the UK are struggling for shop stock. They are having orders for good clients satisfied but shop stock is running below Patek minimum levels - nothing to do with needing a decent AD.
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17 August 2019, 06:44 AM | #48 |
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Brian Karl and Danestaff are all different people. All banned.
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17 August 2019, 07:57 AM | #49 |
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seems that danestaff is the dark knight, whose name is only whispered here.....:::)))
probably he is having a beer to two on us:::)))) |
17 August 2019, 11:10 AM | #50 |
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17 August 2019, 02:17 PM | #51 |
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17 August 2019, 03:46 PM | #52 |
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17 August 2019, 04:50 PM | #53 |
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18 August 2019, 12:17 AM | #54 |
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What would be awkward would or a full body pic of him in orange thongs, orange crocs, , orange strap sun burned with his dog. With mercedes in orange beads.
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18 August 2019, 01:36 AM | #55 |
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Tell Dane to man up and apologize to those he insulted and if he can act like a decent human being then we would gladly welcome him back. If not then good F’ing riddance!
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19 August 2019, 11:49 AM | #56 |
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This thread went off the rails....
Back on topic- i Havent heard back from Jamie since I mentioned Brian. Is the 5524r that hard to find. I also asked aboit the regulator (whish he said was hard to get now) and the 5930. Not sure which one is best to get? |
20 August 2019, 06:05 AM | #57 |
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Wempe on Bond St. had a 5524R in the window when I was there Friday.
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20 August 2019, 06:26 AM | #58 |
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20 August 2019, 06:34 AM | #59 |
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