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GEOR · 23 September 2020, 10:00 AM

Hi RF!

Long time reader, first time poster. I'm in the market for a GMT. I found a 16700 on OfferUp locally and want to get some opinions from you guys to see how real (or fake) you think it is, thank you in advance! The post says it's a 1994 16700. Here are some photos.

Ancestral Star · 23 September 2020, 10:05 AM

The first two images have fake written all over them. The third and fourth images show a different watch, which at best is a GMT-Master II and not a 16700

Stay away from this.

vh2k · 23 September 2020, 10:07 AM

Not a chance in hell I would buy a watch from there.

Smart Water · 23 September 2020, 10:07 AM

Bad fake

Bryan81 · 23 September 2020, 10:11 AM

The boxes and papers are even from the wrong era. Nothing about this is right.

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Mick006 · 23 September 2020, 10:19 AM

Not that you need any more advice, but look at the card in the 2nd pic. It clearly starts with 11. Not a good start when you are in the market for a 16700. Run away.

watchmainspring · 23 September 2020, 10:23 AM

These are pictures of multiple watches

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indianmachine · 23 September 2020, 10:26 AM

Reference on the papers does not match the model

walkman2727 · 23 September 2020, 10:29 AM

"long time reader" needs more work now

Jagamov · 23 September 2020, 10:32 AM

What a cheap, bad fake.

1st amg · 23 September 2020, 10:34 AM

Run Forrest Run!

Wcdhtwn · 23 September 2020, 10:39 AM

The dial in the second picture is so fake it’s almost funny. Buy from a reputable dealer, there’s plenty listed here or Chrono24, if you must. The watch(s) in these pictures is/are just awful...

Nikrnic · 23 September 2020, 10:50 AM

Just a quick glimpse at pic #2 was horrorfyng enough. Who ever is trying to sell this knows damn well it's a fake due to three different watches being used in the ad.

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Alfredo. · 23 September 2020, 10:53 AM

Fake.

GEOR · 23 September 2020, 10:53 AM

Thanks so much all! I thought pic 2 was fake but I thought it was a bad pic... pics 3 and 4 looked legit to me. In any case, I’m staying away, thanks!

SparklesMcgraw · 23 September 2020, 10:53 AM

Amazed you had to ask to be honest. Tell them its fake, advertise the seller and walk away

Alfredo. · 23 September 2020, 10:54 AM

Didn’t even bother to use pictures of watches that at least had no lug holes

jimcarver · 23 September 2020, 10:54 AM

With all due respect, I realise that not everyone is an expert but at least look at the pictures with a cautious eye when buying a watch from a non reliable channel (I have no idea what OfferUp is, but assume it is not a reliable watch seller).

This is clearly not even the same watch in all the pics (different fade on the bezel, different dial layout, lug holes in some pics and not others).

My advice is buy from somewhere/someone that has reliable feedback. I don't mean to be harsh, but rather save you getting scammed, but you are not even close to being able to buy from a private seller. It seems like you saw a deal, liked the price and got carried away with excitement rather than spend even 10 seconds looking at the pics.

GEOR · 23 September 2020, 11:08 AM

I took the pictures from two posts I found from the same seller so I’m assuming they are the “same watch”. Thanks for all the help. I reported the seller and told them as well

KatGirl · 23 September 2020, 11:16 AM

Even I can tell it is fake...

jitdc · 23 September 2020, 11:16 AM

Definitely different watches in the pictures. I would stay away from this one.

jurob · 23 September 2020, 03:12 PM

Holes and no holes

afnios1 · 24 September 2020, 03:49 AM

the warranty card in model number starts with ''11....''
Run forest run

Tools · 24 September 2020, 05:56 AM

I'm not going to say "fake", I will say fraud.

Half of those pictures are not of a 16700, they are of multiple real and fake GMT and GMT II models spanning several years.

shaunylw · 24 September 2020, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I'm not going to say "fake", I will say fraud.

Half of those pictures are not of a 16700, they are of multiple real and fake GMT and GMT II models spanning several years.

Lol yes!

OP- if you cannot see these issues, you should not be buying a watch outside of someone trusted in the industry. Not saying this to be rude at all, but you could get in way too deep and lose thousands of dollars. You should be able to find a great seller that can get you this watch here. I would love to buy a red 1680, but i don’t know enough to venture out on my own. I would rely on a few of the vintage sellers i know to point me in the right direction.

Make sure to post a pic when you buy one!

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23 September 2020, 10:23 AM	#7
watchmainspring 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Watch: Casio F91W Posts: 910	These are pictures of multiple watches Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2FA I do not respond to PMs with e-mail addresses or external links.

23 September 2020, 10:53 AM	#14
Alfredo. "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 3,639	Fake. __________________ After reading all posts, I agree with Adam!

23 September 2020, 10:54 AM	#17
Alfredo. "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 3,639	Didn’t even bother to use pictures of watches that at least had no lug holes __________________ After reading all posts, I agree with Adam!

23 September 2020, 11:16 AM	#21
jitdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Real Name: Jake Location: TN Watch: 116520 Posts: 518	Definitely different watches in the pictures. I would stay away from this one. __________________ Insta: @tenn_past_10 ♛116515 ♛214270 2FA Enabled

24 September 2020, 05:56 AM	#24
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,044	I'm not going to say "fake", I will say fraud. Half of those pictures are not of a 16700, they are of multiple real and fake GMT and GMT II models spanning several years. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

23 September 2020, 10:05 AM	#2
Ancestral Star "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Alex Location: New York Watch: 1603 Posts: 243	The first two images have fake written all over them. The third and fourth images show a different watch, which at best is a GMT-Master II and not a 16700 Stay away from this.

23 September 2020, 10:07 AM	#3
vh2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 3,017	Not a chance in hell I would buy a watch from there.

23 September 2020, 10:07 AM	#4
Smart Water "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NYC Posts: 9	Bad fake

23 September 2020, 10:11 AM	#5
Bryan81 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Michigan Watch: 126710BLRO Posts: 599	The boxes and papers are even from the wrong era. Nothing about this is right. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

23 September 2020, 10:19 AM	#6
Mick006 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: PA, US Posts: 549	Not that you need any more advice, but look at the card in the 2nd pic. It clearly starts with 11. Not a good start when you are in the market for a 16700. Run away.

23 September 2020, 10:26 AM	#8
indianmachine "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 790	Reference on the papers does not match the model

23 September 2020, 10:29 AM	#9
walkman2727 Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 16710 pepsi Posts: 228	"long time reader" needs more work now

23 September 2020, 10:32 AM	#10
Jagamov "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Texas Watch: Rolex:2 Tudor: 3 Posts: 121	What a cheap, bad fake.

23 September 2020, 10:34 AM	#11
1st amg 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: nicholas Location: ottawa canada Watch: Rolex,AP,Panerai Posts: 9,471	Run Forrest Run!

23 September 2020, 10:39 AM	#12
Wcdhtwn "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Houston Watch: SkyD, SD43, GMT2 Posts: 4,975	The dial in the second picture is so fake it’s almost funny. Buy from a reputable dealer, there’s plenty listed here or Chrono24, if you must. The watch(s) in these pictures is/are just awful...

23 September 2020, 10:50 AM	#13
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,159	Just a quick glimpse at pic #2 was horrorfyng enough. Who ever is trying to sell this knows damn well it's a fake due to three different watches being used in the ad. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

23 September 2020, 10:53 AM	#15
GEOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 38	Thanks so much all! I thought pic 2 was fake but I thought it was a bad pic... pics 3 and 4 looked legit to me. In any case, I’m staying away, thanks!

23 September 2020, 10:53 AM	#16
SparklesMcgraw "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Australia Posts: 160	Amazed you had to ask to be honest. Tell them its fake, advertise the seller and walk away

23 September 2020, 10:54 AM	#18
jimcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Abroad Posts: 829	With all due respect, I realise that not everyone is an expert but at least look at the pictures with a cautious eye when buying a watch from a non reliable channel (I have no idea what OfferUp is, but assume it is not a reliable watch seller). This is clearly not even the same watch in all the pics (different fade on the bezel, different dial layout, lug holes in some pics and not others). My advice is buy from somewhere/someone that has reliable feedback. I don't mean to be harsh, but rather save you getting scammed, but you are not even close to being able to buy from a private seller. It seems like you saw a deal, liked the price and got carried away with excitement rather than spend even 10 seconds looking at the pics.

23 September 2020, 11:08 AM	#19
GEOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 38	I took the pictures from two posts I found from the same seller so I’m assuming they are the “same watch”. Thanks for all the help. I reported the seller and told them as well

23 September 2020, 11:16 AM	#20
KatGirl 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Kat Location: Northern Ca, USA Watch: 126233 Wimbledon T Posts: 5,405	Even I can tell it is fake...

23 September 2020, 03:12 PM	#22
jurob "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: VA Posts: 63	Holes and no holes

24 September 2020, 03:49 AM	#23
afnios1 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: michail Location: Korinthos, Greece Watch: IWC 371503 gst. Posts: 396	the warranty card in model number starts with ''11....'' Run forest run

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