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Old 13 December 2017, 12:33 PM   #61
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the medicinal benefits are the biggest lie going, this lie is essential to get this poison legalised, another red herring
I wont take a position on anything else you've said in all your posts. It's your opinion and I'm of the opinion that you have a right to yours.

This statement above however I believe to be ill informed. I'll quickly explain why.

My wife was born with Scoliosis. I'll spare you the long and winding road of pain management she has endured. Suffice it to say that after 15+ years of an ever increasing opioid based treatment with diminishing results her pain specialist suggested that she try medicinal cannabis. 2 consultations later and 6 months into it she is absolutely amazed how well this works. She uses a high CBD level product which does not make her high in any way. She can function normally without any residual side effects plus the benefit of a reduction in GI track issues that opioids complicate.

You can call her a convert to this form of treatment.
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Old 13 December 2017, 01:01 PM   #62
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Great thread. I appreciate all the insight.
Personally I’ve had Aurora and Canopy since February and have obviously been quite pleased. Planning to buy some Aphria shortly. I’ll be very interested to see how things go up to and past July 1!
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Old 13 December 2017, 01:09 PM   #63
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I wont take a position on anything else you've said in all your posts. It's your opinion and I'm of the opinion that you have a right to yours.

This statement above however I believe to be ill informed. I'll quickly explain why.

My wife was born with Scoliosis. I'll spare you the long and winding road of pain management she has endured. Suffice it to say that after 15+ years of an ever increasing opioid based treatment with diminishing results her pain specialist suggested that she try medicinal cannabis. 2 consultations later and 6 months into it she is absolutely amazed how well this works. She uses a high CBD level product which does not make her high in any way. She can function normally without any residual side effects plus the benefit of a reduction in GI track issues that opioids complicate.

You can call her a convert to this form of treatment.
SO happy for her! Best of luck.
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Old 13 December 2017, 02:25 PM   #64
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I respect others opinions, it's just they don't sit with mine, I've always believed the medicinal benefits were exaggerated to get it through, lets face it, the main market will not be the sick, its going to be the healthy.

Another issue, is the length of time it takes to leave the body and the issues this will cause with people driving after using cannabis, if I drink two pints of Guinness over a period of four hours, I know for a fact that if I drive my car and get stopped, I am well within the legal limit,

So someone sits at home legally puffing all evening, gets in their car the next morning, they may feel ok, but how will it be judged by an officer as to their driving legality, drink is easier to monitor. Also, many people ingest cannabis, this can stay in the system for ages.

its a can of worms, unnecessary in my view, but there we go, its just one mans view, with no power or influence, and I have said enough.

many thanks for the debate.
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Old 13 December 2017, 02:31 PM   #65
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Great thread. I appreciate all the insight.
Personally I’ve had Aurora and Canopy since February and have obviously been quite pleased. Planning to buy some Aphria shortly. I’ll be very interested to see how things go up to and past July 1!
There are several catalysts between now and July 1st that could move these stocks much higher. 2 quarterly earnings reports, final passage via Canadian Parliament (Senate), the excitement surrounding July 1st launch date, and any major strategic investments/acquisitions that occur between now and then. Constellation Brands already bought 10% of Canopy for $200MM with warrants to upsize to 20%, as you know. Canopy is up 55% since then, and I’m betting that other large multinationals will follow suit before these 4 market leaders get even pricier leading up to the July 1st launch date.

After July 1st, there will be a significant bump from the recreational market, and additional production capacity coming on in 2018 and 2019. Canada is the 4th highest per capita percentage cannabis consuming country in the world, so the demand is there.
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I saw an article that discussed a study of the benefits of helping with dementia.
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Old 13 December 2017, 03:07 PM   #67
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Mcorliss - I liked your Aphria stock highlight.

Read up on it and bought 500 shares 3 days back.

Bought another 1,000 - averaging higher.

I like the theme.

Thanks for highlighting!
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Old 13 December 2017, 04:51 PM   #68
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Mcorliss - I liked your Aphria stock highlight.

Read up on it and bought 500 shares 3 days back.

Bought another 1,000 - averaging higher.

I like the theme.

Thanks for highlighting!
Agreed thanks mrcorlis. I opened a very small position in comparison to others here but it's a start.
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Old 13 December 2017, 10:13 PM   #69
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I am not ignorant, I am not closed of mind,

I have known many people who have bought into this muck, they became shadows of their former selves, its called 'dope' for a reason.

Speak to mental health professionals, they will tell you all about the devastation this drug causes, you wont hear of these peoples first hand experiences, as the 'industry' doesn't want this publicised.

The alcohol argument is just a red herring, and my answer to that would be that yes, we have enough issues with alcohol, so how is legalising cannabis going to help?

it wont, it will make (and already has) a big society problem, many times bigger.

I am disgusted at how we hear of this B/S 'the war on drugs has failed'. There never has been a war, its just a brainwashing soundbite to make the public think legalisation is inevitable,

the medicinal benefits are the biggest lie going, this lie is essential to get this poison legalised, another red herring,

so theres my informed view, if you have family you are their last defence against this terrible drug, your leaders (that's the west) are an absolute disgrace,

nah, you can stick the shares in this lunacy where the sun doesn't shine.
I don't smoke marijuana.

There is a war on drugs. I was on the front lines of it for over 20 years as a street police officer.

Retired Police Captain Peter Christ sums up and ties all the loose ends on this.

Please have a look. Eye opening.

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Back on topic. This industry is going to be huge. Canada is going to lead the way on this from a stock perspective. I'm in.
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Be careful out there guys. I am a vendor to this industry in Canada and the US and while it is clearly one of the best opportunities facing the “professional grower” industry, there is very much a mania going on with these companies. Remember, Canada is smaller than California so there is a limit on the upside due to Canada being a very small, very dispersed population. The real growth will come when its status on the federal level has been resolved (think banking, tax code fixes, shipping across state lines, removed from schedule 1). I have no doubt that is where things are headed but it will take time in the US.


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Old 14 December 2017, 01:16 AM   #72
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Be careful out there guys. I am a vendor to this industry in Canada and the US and while it is clearly one of the best opportunities facing the “professional grower” industry, there is very much a mania going on with these companies. Remember, Canada is smaller than California so there is a limit on the upside due to Canada being a very small, very dispersed population. The real growth will come when its status on the federal level has been resolved (think banking, tax code fixes, shipping across state lines, removed from schedule 1). I have no doubt that is where things are headed but it will take time in the US.


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All valid points...for U.S. Cannabis companies, but Aphria operates in Canada, and those issues do not apply to them. Though they indirectly own a very small operation in Florida, Arizona, and soon Ohio, that is just a rounding error compared to their main business. In addition, they are legally licensed to ship product to pharmacies in other countries now. One must not mix the issues that impact U.S. companies with those that impact Canadian companies.
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$100MM (Canadian) Bought Deal (capital raise) today.

Today, Aphria is down this morning because they just announced a $100MM bought deal (capital raise) to be used to ramp up operations prior to the launch of Recreational on July 1st, 2018. Whenever these companies do a large capital raise, the stocks decline the next day, but then rally back the following week. Nothing for concern, in fact, it is a great thing, because they are thought of highly enough by institutional investors, that they want to buy into the company, but not via the open market, so you don’t get upwards buying pressure.

The normal trading down pattern on capital raise days is just the effect of ownership dilution for more shares being added to the number of outstanding. At the end of the day, you want these companies to raise capital as fast as possible so they can expand their capacity to produce and sell more product sooner with the recreational launch.

I always use these down days to add to my existing position. My best friend just picked up another 10,000 shares, and I may grab another 20,000 myself. Good luck, Guys!
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All valid points...for U.S. Cannabis companies, but Aphria operates in Canada, and those issues do not apply to them. Though they indirectly own a very small operation in Florida, Arizona, and soon Ohio, that is just a rounding error compared to their main business. In addition, they are legally licensed to ship product to pharmacies in other countries now. One must not mix the issues that impact U.S. companies with those that impact Canadian companies.
I was not mixing the two issues. My point was Canada is a very small country and that real growth will take place south of the border if and when the US federal government resolves the status of MJ. Because Canada is a small country there is a limit on growth and the majority of its population is in Ontario and Quebec, two very high tax Provinces. Once we know how heavily the fed and Provincial gov'ts will tax MJ we can make a better determination of how much of the black market will be converted into legal purchases. There is still a significant black market in cigarettes in Canada due to the enormous taxes on them. If the Provinces make that mistake and set the tax levels too high the black market will continue and that will further handicap the legal growth of the industry in Canada. Many moving pieces and lots of unknowns yet in Canada on how it will be regulated.
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I wont take a position on anything else you've said in all your posts. It's your opinion and I'm of the opinion that you have a right to yours.

This statement above however I believe to be ill informed. I'll quickly explain why.

My wife was born with Scoliosis. I'll spare you the long and winding road of pain management she has endured. Suffice it to say that after 15+ years of an ever increasing opioid based treatment with diminishing results her pain specialist suggested that she try medicinal cannabis. 2 consultations later and 6 months into it she is absolutely amazed how well this works. She uses a high CBD level product which does not make her high in any way. She can function normally without any residual side effects plus the benefit of a reduction in GI track issues that opioids complicate.

You can call her a convert to this form of treatment.
Exactly. The CBD I mentioned in the first page of this thread has been incredible for 2 issue I've had. I don't really like the THC feeling so the liquid oil I use has very little THC chemical, no feeling of being high at all actually. It can be used topical or put ome under your tongue 👅

This isn't weed from 1970s either. The indica strain is great for me at night and Sativa is better for day or late afternoon. I don't smoke it, it's edible or an oil
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Old 14 December 2017, 01:41 AM   #76
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I was not mixing the two issues. My point was Canada is a very small country and that real growth will take place south of the border if and when the US federal government resolves the status of MJ. Because Canada is a small country there is a limit on growth and the majority of its population is in Ontario and Quebec, two very high tax Provinces. Once we know how heavily the fed and Provincial gov'ts will tax MJ we can make a better determination of how much of the black market will be converted into legal purchases. There is still a significant black market in cigarettes in Canada due to the enormous taxes on them. If the Provinces make that mistake and set the tax levels too high the black market will continue and that will further handicap the legal growth of the industry in Canada. Many moving pieces and lots of unknowns yet in Canada on how it will be regulated.
All intersting points, but Canada has the 4th highest percentage of Cannabis consumption per capita and that will only increase 8-10 fold which recreational use launches.

There will always be a black market for everything (watches, weed, clothing, etc.) someplace, but on balance, the legalization will drive more people to legitimate sources than not. The vast majority of people are not going to risk arrest to save a few loonies. You can bet that the government will enforce the new laws more stringently in the beginning to make an example out of the black market sellers and buyers.

Not to be too tangential, but the main point is that legal weed will far surpass illegal, unregulated, untested black market weed. To think otherwise is silly.
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I don't smoke marijuana.

There is a war on drugs. I was on the front lines of it for over 20 years as a street police officer.

Retired Police Captain Peter Christ sums up and ties all the loose ends on this.

Please have a look. Eye opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yYJ_oV6xk
Very eye-opening. His points are so logical. Unfortunately, like the other poster, some people don’t bother themselves with fact, as they prefer to keep their existing views. Over time, they come around though when they see that their worst fears are not realized. It’s called getting an education.
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Very eye-opening. His points are so logical. Unfortunately, like the other poster, some people don’t bother themselves with fact, as they prefer to keep their existing views. Over time, they come around though when they see that their worst fears are not realized. It’s called getting an education.

its you that doesn't like an opposing view, not me, I am more than happy for you to hold your opinion,

you cant let it drop I am afraid, when someone is this offended by another persons very valid view, a view of millions, it tells me that you are not sure yourself.

I will never come round to your point of view,

I would never confuse the acceptance of druggie propaganda with getting an education, its beneath real knowledge in every way,

maybe this will be my last post on the topic , that's it I don't get another slating.

Again, thanks for the debate.
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Anyways back on track. I bought a 100 shares or so lets see where this ride takes us. I think its a great call, in an area I never really considered.
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Very eye-opening. His points are so logical. Unfortunately, like the other poster, some people don’t bother themselves with fact, as they prefer to keep their existing views. Over time, they come around though when they see that their worst fears are not realized. It’s called getting an education.
So what else should we legalize because we can't effectively combat?
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its you that doesn't like an opposing view, not me, I am more than happy for you to hold your opinion,

you cant let it drop I am afraid, when someone is this offended by another persons very valid view, a view of millions, it tells me that you are not sure yourself.

I will never come round to your point of view,

I would never confuse the acceptance of druggie propaganda with getting an education, its beneath real knowledge in every way,

maybe this will be my last post on the topic , that's it I don't get another slating.

Again, thanks for the debate.
Everybody is entitled to their own personal beliefs. The doomsday preppers thought the end of the world was occurring on 1/1/00. Many other cults have stated the same thing...repeatedly...only to maintain their views even when their proclaimed armageddon date passes without incident, over and over again.

No information will ever change your opinion...your own words. I guess I’m just surprised how somebody who lives so close to the bastion of higher education (Oxford), can be so unwilling to do actual basic research on their own before forming such steadfast opinions. That IS the very definition of being closed minded. It is not meant as an insult, just a descriptor to explain your position.

This thread is meant to be a debate about morality, it is about discussing publicly-traded Canadian Cannabis companies. The global shift on Cannabis acceptance is happening every single day, regardless of whether nay-sayers drag their feet, and as an investor, I’m profiting greatly from that shift. I recognize the potential therapeutic benefits of the plant. There are futures uses that aren’t even being researched yet, and I’m banking they will be realized.

Thanks for the debate. Godspeed.
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its you that doesn't like an opposing view, not me, I am more than happy for you to hold your opinion,

you cant let it drop I am afraid, when someone is this offended by another persons very valid view, a view of millions, it tells me that you are not sure yourself.

I will never come round to your point of view,
Though I agree with your basic stance on this issue, these statements are somewhat contradictory and hypocritical.
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Next question: Should the counterpersons at these medical and recreational marijuana dispensaries be licensed or board certified like pharmacists and pharmacy technicians or is it OK for them to be just another Joe Blow like you see at most liquor stores?

I suspect that the majority of these current retail marijuana salespeople are simply potheads who have landed a fun job (in their minds). How else could one provide empirical details and comprehensive descriptions of the product and its overall characteristics?

It would be akin to selecting a fine wine based on the recommendations of an 'expert' who doesn't drink wine. It's probably OK for recreational pot sales but not particularly desirable for those seeking medicinal relief (unless hyperbole and BS are the key selling tools in this new industry).

Besides, marijuana affects everyone differently and along with its natural variances in phenotypes, consistency will always present a challenge regardless of cultivation environment. It's like that old adage, same parents/different children. Or to clarify things even simpler, some apples (or any fruit for that matter) often taste better than others off the same tree.

Pot is agriculture. No different than growing high-quality fruits and vegetables. The only difference is that it has become a 'cash cow' for saavy investors now that it is legal in many states.

As aforementioned, I'm sticking with the 'small growers' rather than conglomerates cranking out tons of weed. It's a similar approach to opting for a weekend 'farmer's market' or boutique brewery.

No 'BUD-weiser' for me.
Between your avatar and some of the fun stuff you have posted I would have bet you smoked pot

Whether pot is for you or not, this industry is just getting started. I bet you are going to be able to buy some at your local 7-11 soon enough.
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Are these shares ETFs?
No. Aphria, Canopy, Aurora, and MedReleaf are all individual companies. Horizons Marijuana Life Sciences Fund is an ETF. It is also a good way to go, but is littered with some companies that I don’t think are going to benefit proportionately. That’s why I’ve chosen Aphria. Had Canopy previously, but made my money there and moved on.
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Though I agree with your basic stance on this issue, these statements are somewhat contradictory and hypocritical.
Agreed.

It’s real simple, I appreciate both viewpoints (pro vs con cannabis), but my own viewpoint has made me over a half million dollars since November 1st. Call me a horrible person, but I’ll stick with my own perspective on the global trend towards cannabis acceptance. I suspect I’m more right than wrong.
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No. Aphria, Canopy, Aurora, and MedReleaf are all individual companies. Horizons Marijuana Life Sciences Fund is an ETF. It is also a good way to go, but is littered with some companies that I don’t think are going to benefit proportionally. That’s why I’ve chosen Aphria. Had Canopy previously, but made my money there and moved on.
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Agreed.

It’s real simple, I appreciate both viewpoints (pro vs con cannabis), but my own viewpoint has made me over a half million dollars since November 1st. Call me a horrible person, but I’ll stick with my own perspective on the global trend towards cannabis acceptance. I suspect I’m more right than wrong.
Well, those are two different arguments; Whether it is right or wrong, and whether or not you can profit from it. Congratulations on your monetary gains.
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I am a very conservative dividend investor, but I bought some stocks like Apple and Google many years ago. Thanks for your assessment. I checked out Aphria on Seeking Alpha, and bought 500 shares to get my feet wet. My guess is that down the road Phillip Morris or Altria will buy one of the better marijuana companies. I own both of those stocks.


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Today, Aphria is down this morning because they just announced a $100MM bought deal (capital raise) to be used to ramp up operations prior to the launch of Recreational on July 1st, 2018. Whenever these companies do a large capital raise, the stocks decline the next day, but then rally back the following week. Nothing for concern, in fact, it is a great thing, because they are thought of highly enough by institutional investors, that they want to buy into the company, but not via the open market, so you don’t get upwards buying pressure.

The normal trading down pattern on capital raise days is just the effect of ownership dilution for more shares being added to the number of outstanding. At the end of the day, you want these companies to raise capital as fast as possible so they can expand their capacity to produce and sell more product sooner with the recreational launch.

I always use these down days to add to my existing position. My best friend just picked up another 10,000 shares, and I may grab another 20,000 myself. Good luck, Guys!
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