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12 October 2018, 10:09 AM | #181 | |
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I've only ever encountered an attempted scam twice, and it was the same scam (not scammer) both times. The first time, I was selling a piece of furniture online, and a prospective buyer wanted to send me a cashier's check in excess of the purchase amount, and have me wire the overage to his movers. I smelled a rat, but still went forward with the deal until the check arrived. The overage was something like five times the cost of the furniture. Luckily, I caught on and wasn't out anything but time. In an online forum, I was informed that was one of the oldest tricks in the book, and I felt stupid for not seeing it earlier; but I was so unaccustomed to scamming that I simply didn't think I was in danger of it, and likewise didn't know the more common tactics. The second time it happened, obviously I saw it immediately, but I didn't catch on to the scam in this thread until others explained it to me. That convinces me I'm usually one step behind those who would take advantage. |
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12 October 2018, 10:25 AM | #182 |
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I had a similar scam attempt with a Porsche I was selling. The buyer said they would send a bank draft, but he wanted to use some carrier company to pick up the car as he was “at sea”. This sounds like many other scams I’ve heard of.
I said no issue, but I will keep the car for 4 weeks after the draft has cleared to ensure it doesn’t bounce after say 15 or 20 days.... I never heard back. I’ve heard of countless people being scammed by this send money, pick up the item, then the money bounces and the are out everything. |
12 October 2018, 10:48 AM | #183 | |
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12 October 2018, 11:03 AM | #184 |
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OP (and the others), I am so sorry to hear this. I hope everything works out.
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12 October 2018, 11:48 AM | #185 |
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I hope everyone learn from this...
in conclusion, BUY THE SELLER. Do not buy from newbies (even with high post counts) without any legitimate references. The little saving is NOT worth it. |
12 October 2018, 12:09 PM | #186 | |
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12 October 2018, 01:22 PM | #187 | |
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On my earlier reply, I was trying to think of a movie quote that pretty much encapsulated the Law Enforcement response on this type of crime. I just remember it...it's from The Thomas Crown Affair (1999 version with Pierce Brosnan). Denis Leary plays the Detective and Rene Russo play the Insurance investigator. Towards the end of the movie (spoiler alert), Rene Russo's character asks Denis Leary's character about whether or not he's serious about catching the art theives...his response...
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12 October 2018, 03:26 PM | #188 |
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With all the text will the bank not reverse the funds? Or were they already withdrawn? I used DavidSW and he went the extra mile to make me feel secure in the deal. But even then I felt nervous sending 10k plus out. But like they say no one doing this as a professional business is going to risk thief reputation on a 10k watch. I feel only the top trusted sellers and ADs will benefit from actions like these. The only worry I have is if the watch gets lost in the mail how will these big TS react. Had my wife’s 20k Tiffany engagement ring lost in the mail by fedex. Had to send it in for a lost diamond. Anyways took over 6 months and my lawyer getting involved to finally get it settled.
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12 October 2018, 08:22 PM | #189 |
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https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=613570
here you go. it was shut down by the mods as it wasn't a deal done thru the forums but i had my first few deals with this ahole via this forum. owes me 4grand and tell me he has done nothing wrong against me and he's trying his best to return me. told me he got burned by the recent bitcoin frenzy. all sort of BS. the 4 grand has been pending for 4 months. i told him he can forget about the 4k. i am too lazy to chase anymore, i don't see a point and have it up in the FBI offender list. |
13 October 2018, 04:23 AM | #190 | |
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13 October 2018, 05:25 AM | #191 | |
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If they had the time they would help. However, scammers are tough to catch and the FBI have bigger fish to go after. Maybe you will get lucky. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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13 October 2018, 05:42 AM | #192 | |
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How would one get started here. I'm a huge believer in but the seller in everything, cars, guns, and watches. But every one started somewhere. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk |
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13 October 2018, 05:43 AM | #193 | |
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Mostly AD for me personally... Every time someone tries to bypass The Rolex Way they are putting themselves in harms way for either a scam or fraud/fake.... I am speaking from experience myself as I was sold a Frankenstein a few years ago trying to save $$$... Caution OP. sorry for your troubles ... Really hope you get your $$$ back. |
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13 October 2018, 06:39 AM | #194 | |
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13 October 2018, 06:54 AM | #195 |
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My point exactly.When they don’t have Time to catch someone who has scammed 3 Members(that we know of,Probably more) out of over 40K in a Week....That’s unacceptable to Me.
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13 October 2018, 08:10 AM | #196 | |
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13 October 2018, 10:26 AM | #197 | |
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If a buyer decides to take the risk and buy from a newbies, then that's his/her choice. I rather spend the extra and buy from a reputable seller. I despise scammers, but when I see people being scammed without doing the basic check. really? |
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13 October 2018, 01:51 PM | #198 |
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I and many many others have had amazingly smooth and ethical transactions with trusted sellers like DavidSW (personally) and others, like takuya. Their reputations are well earned and I’d recommend them without reservation to other members.
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13 October 2018, 11:56 PM | #199 | |
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you are the victim of a crime (and sounds like a relatively advanced scam thats been planned over many months), and unfortunately in today's world some will blame you. i prefer to blame the criminals and go after them - but its possible these criminals reside outside of the United States. anyways - i'm sorry to hear about this situation and hope you can get some kind of resolution. |
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14 October 2018, 12:02 AM | #200 | |
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how do you keep the marketplace competitive if you only allow a small group of TS to operate? also ethical issues in closing down a market and restricting the amount of sellers that can operate. i'm new to the forums and have tried to get clear information on how to buy a used watch, but the reality is there is no guidebook or clear set of rules anyone has laid out. the forum is just full of peoples opinions, and some have very good advice which is why i'm here. |
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14 October 2018, 12:13 AM | #201 | |
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14 October 2018, 02:26 AM | #202 | |
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how else do you vet? i mean you're not purchasing a million dollar home - you're purchasing a watch. of course buying from a TS is a safer option and i understand thats sound/safe advice. if thats thew view of the forum (that you should ONLY buy from TS) - then from my POV all others sellers should be banned. as long as you have new sellers coming into the forum, you will have scams. its easy to mention a vetting process, more difficult to describe what the vetting process is. personally - i prefer to keep the forum open to all - ensures you have new sellers coming into the forums. perhaps the majority of the sellers will be trusted/reliable, but you'll always have a % of sellers that want to scam and take off. i say its bad luck - because there would have been a buyer in this position buying DavidSW or Takuyas first TRF sale. Did the buyers ask for their birth certificate and documents to their home - or did they take a risk? keep in mind if a scammer is very sophisticated - he can fake a lot of things - references, documents ,etc. thinking of that scene in breaking bad where Saul Goodman has 30 phones to trick the judge. |
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14 October 2018, 02:29 AM | #203 | |
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14 October 2018, 03:31 AM | #204 |
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The reason I suggested that it was more than just bad luck, was because more experienced posters than me questioned the OPs vetting process, and noted some red flags. All I was saying is that it's more than just asking for references and getting a few email addresses to check. Guess we can all have our own opinions. This seller was bad news before OP wired the money, as previous posters pointed out with the negative threads on the guy.
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14 October 2018, 04:29 AM | #205 |
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I think the forums provide an excellent form of liquidity for buying and selling watches. It’s all based on trust. These scammers tend to post at 15%+?less than market...not too low to draw that much attention but low enough for people to know it’s a good deal.
As a occasional seller; I know I will have to trade at a slight discount to DavidSW or others. However when you see prices that are at dealer buy price it’s usually too good to be true. |
14 October 2018, 12:15 PM | #206 |
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While checking out the various sales forums, I ran into this thread regarding wire recalls:
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f63/be...e-4646409.html Interesting read. |
14 October 2018, 01:03 PM | #207 |
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Just as i said, wired funds can be recalled if fraud has been committed and with the cooperation of the receiving bank. Dodged a bullet there.
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14 October 2018, 03:25 PM | #208 |
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Long term Trusted sellers or not, their accounts can still be hacked and be used in scams. This has become prevalent.
That is why it is becoming harder and harder to trust anyone online nowadays. From my own experience, there has been a number of times I think I was about to be scammed or have actually been scammed (am mainly a buyer and not a seller). For those 1 or twice that I have been scammed, I managed to get back my money either via PayPal or from my Credit Card company (for a chargeback). So one lesson learnt for buyers: use PayPal or Credit Card if you are dealing for the first time with the seller. For the few times I was nearly scammed, I just did not feel wrong and stopped proceeding with the deals. Usually, it was either the deal was too good to be true, or the seller showed uncalled for urgency to sell, or the reference checks were all too brief and just did not look right to me. Basically, my instinct told me to walk away and I did. At the end of the day, I think there is always this residual risk of being scammed or tricked into buy replicas in this hobby of ours. We just have to factor in the risks (to be mentally prepared) and try our very best not to be scammed. This is just my 5 cents worth of opinions. |
15 October 2018, 07:29 AM | #209 |
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really sorry to hear this! As a few others have mentioned, buy the seller, even if it costs a little more from a trusted seller.
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15 October 2018, 07:49 AM | #210 |
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Yeah. So true. Buy the seller and if it is too good to be true. Most likely it is. Lesson learn.
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