Tudor Oyster dial with Rolex logo

[flexibil29]

I recently had the chance to buy a beautiful Tudor Oyster watch (ref 4463) and I'm surprised that instead of a rose has the Rolex logo. I'm more confused because the printing on the dial is very nice and from my point of view doesn't seem to be repainted. Is somebody here who knows if Tudor used this kind of printing ? Thank you !

[TimeToGo]

This topic has been discussed before in the forum. Here is one:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=57552

[offrdmania]

OP, unfortunately it is either a reworked dial or a fake dial.

There were Tudor watches with Rolex on the dial but they were from many many years prior to your watch.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

OP, unfortunately it is either a reworked dial or a fake dial.

There were Tudor watches with Rolex on the dial but they were from many many years prior to your watch.

The fonts and quality are quite good, though. How do you do that so well and get such an obvious detail wrong? The consensus seems to be that this isn't genuine. I remain unconvinced.

[offrdmania]

Originally Posted by zapokee

The fonts and quality are quite good, though. How do you do that so well and get such an obvious detail wrong? The consensus seems to be that this isn't genuine. I remain unconvinced.

Show me another one, especially in this later time frame

[flexibil29]

Thank you for all the answers guys ! For sure that Rolex crown on the dial is quite strange and unusual for a Tudor watch. However I'm very surprised fo find that the dial was repainted because the lumen from the numbers was for sure more than 50 years old. The rest of the printings on the dial is impeccable executed and it's strange that 50 years ago they have the possibility to reprint dials at such good quality. On the other hand......if somebody repainted it at such good quality, I'm thinking........ how was possible to commit such an error to print a Rolex crown on a Tudor dial ��

[mineral]

Originally Posted by flexibil29

Thank you for all the answers guys ! For sure that Rolex crown on the dial is quite strange and unusual for a Tudor watch. However I'm very surprised fo find that the dial was repainted because the lumen from the numbers was for sure more than 50 years old. The rest of the printings on the dial is impeccable executed and it's strange that 50 years ago they have the possibility to reprint dials at such good quality. On the other hand......if somebody repainted it at such good quality, I'm thinking........ how was possible to commit such an error to print a Rolex crown on a Tudor dial ��

Indeed the dial has showed aged condition but I do think the dial may not be correct. I have few vintage oyster Tudor and for correct dial it should indicate the Swiss made at six o clock position for that era. I do not see any printing at that position. How about the case engraving? Did you inspect it if it is correct? And any chance to inspect it under UV? It is radium dial and should light up immediately if correct.


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[flexibil29]

Originally Posted by mineral

Indeed the dial has showed aged condition but I do think the dial may not be correct. I have few vintage oyster Tudor and for correct dial it should indicate the Swiss made at six o clock position for that era. I do not see any printing at that position. How about the case engraving? Did you inspect it if it is correct? And any chance to inspect it under UV? It is radium dial and should light up immediately if correct.


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[mineral]

Originally Posted by flexibil29

Here are few pictures
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Unfortunately the dial is wrong in my opinion. Still nice looking watch.


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[flexibil29]

Thank you !

[uhren917]

The points on the crown not being symmetrical give me some pause.

[flexibil29]

Originally Posted by uhren917

The points on the crown not being symmetrical give me some pause.

Yes , you are right, they are not symmetric , sadly.........

[offrdmania]

This is probably how the dial would have originally looked. Your dial was probably "washed" at some point in its life and a watch maker painted on the crown to give it a bit more appeal.
Your dial is missing the Shock-Resisting text at the lower half of the dial too.

[Stan Cooper]

These dials have been discussed before.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=57552

[Muz]

Another thread bounce. I stumbled across this thread and the original post seems to have a photo of a very similar Tudor (with a Rolex logo on the face) as the one I bought a few years ago now. I bought it as a 1947 watch.

I’d like get opinions as to whether mine is a fake or does it have a refurbished face?

I am unable to post a photo though, can someone let me know how to do this?

Seems the photo is too big and I have no idea how to resize it

[offrdmania]

You can either make 10 worthwhile posts to unlock the picture posting privilege or use a photo sharing app like Tapatalk or Flickr, etc to host your picture.

[Muz]

Originally Posted by Muz

Another thread bounce. I stumbled across this thread and the original post seems to have a photo of a very similar Tudor (with a Rolex logo on the face) as the one I bought a few years ago now. I bought it as a 1947 watch.

I’d like get opinions as to whether mine is a fake or does it have a refurbished face?

I am unable to post a photo though, can someone let me know how to do this?

Seems the photo is too big and I have no idea how to resize it

Originally Posted by offrdmania

You can either make 10 worthwhile posts to unlock the picture posting privilege or use a photo sharing app like Tapatalk or Flickr, etc to host your picture.

Thanks, I have no idea how to do that and I don’t want to spam the forum with posts to get picture posting privileges.

I guess I’ll have to keep on wondering about this. I have never seen a watch so like mine before

I think your post 13 covers it though as I don’t have the “shock resisting” on mine either. The face is better than that one and the op’s post too. I guess it’s looking too good to be a genuine untouched 1947 watchface

It was sold to me as a Tudor Oyster and no mention of Rolex made

[offrdmania]

Most Tudors with a Rolex crown on them are either a fake or reworked dial. The known dials to have both Rolex and Tudor marks on them are from the early years of Tudors existence

[Muz]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

Most Tudors with a Rolex crown on them are either a fake or reworked dial. The known dials to have both Rolex and Tudor marks on them are from the early years of Tudors existence

Thanks for your comments. I bought the watch on a whim on Ebay and didn’t even notice the Rolex logo until I received it. I paid £350 for it and still like it as much as I did when I first saw it. It’s very small though and hardly gets worn, although it keeps good time, I have a Tudor Heritage Ranger as an everyday watch.