Flip the Sub 114060 for a GMT 16710?

[nikesupremedunk]

I currently have a Sub C ND that I bought to wear as an every day watch and it does the job perfectly. But I'll be honest, it just doesn't give me that "special" feeling that my BLNR gives me every time I put it on. It feels great on the wrist and the watch itself is very handsome but it's also a bit...boring.

I've been considering almost every SS model but nothing was singing to me. Then it just happened, the 16710 GMT Master II. I've always liked them but being that they were discontinued a while back, I was a bit nervous to buy an older watch. But lately I've been looking at them more and more and it just really grew on me. Unfortunately, so has the price.

If I were to buy one it would most likely have to be an incomplete set, probably watch only and I would probably still have to add some cash on top after selling the ND (which is a complete set). I am buying with the intention of wearing and not storing so as long as the watch is in good condition I wouldn't mind. Would you guys flip a complete set of ND (possibly + cash) for an incomplete set of 16710? Please include your reasons as well.

[Colin10101]

Listen, I'm biased. I'm a huge 16710 fan, so I say absolutely yes. But there are things you definitely need to consider:

1. Not having a full set may bother you. I know it would bother me, so I'd save until you can flip for a full set.
2. A lot of 6 digit owners, especially people who've only owned 6 digits, really struggle to adapt to the 5 digit bracelet. I personally prefer it, both for its styling and comfort, but to you it may be a deal breaker. You should absolutely try one on in person before making a move.
3. The 5 digits wear smaller and have a more "vintage" look to them. Since you only own 6 digit models now, you may find that the 5 digit looks a bit dated. Once again, photos only do so much, you need to see it in person.
4. You're now going to have 2 GMT sport watches in your collection. Are you okay with this? What about a 16610LV. A Bit of colour and it's not a GMT!

I firmly say yes because I prefer the styling and feel of the 5 digits. But you may not feel the same way.

Good luck!

[Etschell]

i would keep the sub.

[smarriott]

Keep both


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[lhawli]

If you have a BLNR I would keep the SubC ND or flip for a SubC Date. Maybe get a Hulk for a twist (personally not a fan of the green tho).


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[jrs146]

Originally Posted by Colin10101

Listen, I'm biased. I'm a huge 16710 fan, so I say absolutely yes. But there are things you definitely need to consider:

1. Not having a full set may bother you. I know it would bother me, so I'd save until you can flip for a full set.
2. A lot of 6 digit owners, especially people who've only owned 6 digits, really struggle to adapt to the 5 digit bracelet. I personally prefer it, both for its styling and comfort, but to you it may be a deal breaker. You should absolutely try one on in person before making a move.
3. The 5 digits wear smaller and have a more "vintage" look to them. Since you only own 6 digit models now, you may find that the 5 digit looks a bit dated. Once again, photos only do so much, you need to see it in person.
4. You're now going to have 2 GMT sport watches in your collection. Are you okay with this? What about a 16610LV. A Bit of colour and it's not a GMT!

I firmly say yes because I prefer the styling and feel of the 5 digits. But you may not feel the same way.

Good luck!

All good advice here.

a 16710 is going to feel VERY different from your BLNR. Also, you're already going to pay a premium for the 16710 so you might want to consider getting a full set even if it's a bit more expensive. If you ever decide to sell down the road you will have a much easier time. Yes, I know box/papers are not the most important thing if you're going to keep the watch forever... but you probably didn't think you would sell your sub and now you're consider it so who knows what the future may bring. Good luck

[Loevhagen]

The 16710 has risen in price lately and is still on a momentum - so buy now before "it's too late". YBMW (Your Budget May Vary).

[The Libertine]

No, I would not sell the Submariner.

I would instead sell the BLNR, to fund the 16710.

[CPRWATCH]

I say do it , subc ND may be a classic to many for its clean lines & no cyclops but to me it's yawningly boring . The 16710 has so much more going for it in my humble opinion .

[sensui]

Do it I'd say. 16710 is one of the best references ever made throughout the Rolex history. It's one I don't think any six digit steel reference beats.

[jcatt]

I say do it, but try one on first, for as some have said the bracelet and how it wears may not do it for you. That said, the 16710 is one of Rolex most distinctive looks (especially in Pepsi). Fantastic daily watch. The sub is wonderful, but it's everywhere, and just not distinctive in appearance- to me at least.
JCATT

[watchwatcher]

I would flip the BLNR for it, if I felt the need to flip anything in your collection. But, that's me.

[Houston77]

The Sub C ND and Batman OR 16710 is a perfect combo. The Batman and 16710 seems like overkill to me.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by The Libertine

No, I would not sell the Submariner.

I would instead sell the BLNR, to fund the 16710.

This, 100%.

[mineral]

Originally Posted by nikesupremedunk

I currently have a Sub C ND that I bought to wear as an every day watch and it does the job perfectly. But I'll be honest, it just doesn't give me that "special" feeling that my BLNR gives me every time I put it on. It feels great on the wrist and the watch itself is very handsome but it's also a bit...boring.



I've been considering almost every SS model but nothing was singing to me. Then it just happened, the 16710 GMT Master II. I've always liked them but being that they were discontinued a while back, I was a bit nervous to buy an older watch. But lately I've been looking at them more and more and it just really grew on me. Unfortunately, so has the price.



If I were to buy one it would most likely have to be an incomplete set, probably watch only and I would probably still have to add some cash on top after selling the ND (which is a complete set). I am buying with the intention of wearing and not storing so as long as the watch is in good condition I wouldn't mind. Would you guys flip a complete set of ND (possibly + cash) for an incomplete set of 16710? Please include your reasons as well.

I would highly recommend the gmt 16710.








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[strafer_kid]

Tough call since both are great watches.....they wear very differently though with pros and cons for each, some of which have been mentioned earlier in this thread. If it came down to just one though, it would have to be the 16710 or even a 16700!

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by sensui

Do it I'd say. 16710 is one of the best references ever made throughout the Rolex history. It's one I don't think any six digit steel reference beats.

The 16710 is great. But the 116500 beats it.




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[toucan]

Originally Posted by mtgjr

this, 100%.

x3

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

The 16710 is great. But the 116500 beats it.

No it doesn't! ..it comes close.

[Canook]

Ive had BLNR,sub no date,sub date and most of the maxi case ref.... prior to that i had a 16710 coke and sold it and regretted it ever since..... recently i got a 16710 pepsi and offloaded the BLNR and couldnt be happier.....
it has a personality all of its own and wears beautiful..... id flip your BLNR and go the 16710, you wont look back

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by Onikage

No it doesn't! ..it comes close.

+1. I'd still take the GMT all day.

[nikesupremedunk]

Appreciate everyone’s feedback, a lot of good points.

I have tried on a 16700 (I think) once and have a buddy who has a 16570 exp2 so I’m familiar with how it wears. Indeed very different from my ceramics but I really liked the look and feel of the 5 digit explorer.

As for flipping the blnr instead, it does make more sense flipping a gmt for gmt but I don’t think I can let it go. It feels special on the wrist and I love wearing it. Even if I end up having 2 gmt’s in the collection I think a Pepsi and blnr looks more different than a blnr and Nd combo.

What’s holding me back is the inconvenience of having to sell the Rolex (which I’ve never done before), then having to find a gmt that’s worth buying. And I know once I sell the Nd there’s no going back if I change my mind. In the meantime I’ll keep researching and see if the urge keeps growing.

[henrylee]

I have a subCdate, BLNR, and the 16710 with all the bezels. The 16710 has quickly become my favorite due to its versatility and the one I wear most.

[Scapegoat]

You described how I felt about the SUB ND. Handsome, but just a touch boring.
Nothing wrong with incomplete set... go for it before the price rises again.

[mineral]

Originally Posted by Canook

Ive had BLNR,sub no date,sub date and most of the maxi case ref.... prior to that i had a 16710 coke and sold it and regretted it ever since..... recently i got a 16710 pepsi and offloaded the BLNR and couldnt be happier.....
it has a personality all of its own and wears beautiful..... id flip your BLNR and go the 16710, you wont look back

I have same experience as you regarding the 16710 gmt. I bought new gmt with all black insert from AD many years ago and sold it away after that. Since then always thinking of acquiring it back. And I’m glad to be able to find them back and build the gmt collection again.




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[socialpro]

Sold my SubC date for a 16710 and could not be happier and have never looked back or missed my sub once. Might pick up a 5 digit sub in the future. IMHO go for it - it will be one of the best decisions you've ever made.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by nikesupremedunk

What’s holding me back is the inconvenience of having to sell the Rolex (which I’ve never done before), then having to find a gmt that’s worth buying. And I know once I sell the Nd there’s no going back if I change my mind. In the meantime I’ll keep researching and see if the urge keeps growing.

If you use a trusted seller like DavidSW for example. You can call him. Tell him the watch you are trying to get rid of. He will tell you right then the dollar amount he will give you for that watch. He will then email you a shipping label with detailed instructions. You send the watch to him overnight. And as soon as he gets it he will send you the watch you want overnight. Thats a two day process. It doesn’t get much easier than that. Unfortunately the only 16710 he has at the moment is a M serial 3186 movement for $14,975. Lol. I’d imagine someone like Bob’s watches operates the same way. Bob’s currently has a few nice 16710s.


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[mailman]

In most cases, not all...I prefer 5 digit Rolex over 6 digit. This scenario isn't any different. Find a nice example of a 16710 and flip the 114060 for it. Not to mention the deal is easy enough to reverse if you end up changing your mind

[theflywrist]

Do it!! You won't regret a classic iconic pepsi.
I have always been a lover of the older case size/symmetry.

[CRM114]

Go for it, you won't regret it.

Buying now seems like the thing to do. As the realization sinks in that after the WG BLRO was introduced Rolex won't be making a SS Pepsi ref anytime soon, if ever, the prices for those in existence just keep going up and now it's becoming plainly evident with the more-recent 17610s across the board as well.

With the 16710 and the triple option of switching bezel inserts between Pepsi/Coke/LN you'll have a Rolex unlike any other in terms of changing it's look as it suits your taste.

If it's a wearer, I wouldn't personally worry too much about not having a full set unless you're determined the premium is worth it. As far as being an older watch, for wearing I wouldn't worry a bit. Unlike the vintage 4-digit and transitional 5-digits refs, RSCs can readily service and replace parts on later-year, luminova-lumed 16710s without worry of damaging the value, and you'll wind up with an RSCs warranty, paper, and pressure-tested watch.

I have 4, 5, and 6-digit GMT Master/Master IIs and the 4 & 5 refs get the most wrist time. They all have different personalities. In my book (and collection), one can't have too many GMT/UTC watches Rolex or otherwise so I also have examples from IWC, JLC, Grand Seiko, GO, Panerai, Cartier, Sinn, Glycine, Bulova, etc. Modern and vintage, they all have that useful multi-time zone complication. On the other hand, I have no use for a dive watch, so there are none in my collection (and why my Omegas are Speedys and not POs) and certainly never felt like I was missing anything.