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15 June 2021, 07:37 PM | #1 |
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5196R at retail or preowned?
Would you purchase a 5196R at retail now? Or would you patiently wait for a full set mint preowned piece (>15-20% less?), or a bnib from chrono24 (10% less?). I have looked at previous posts and it seems in the last 5 yrs or so the consensus is to buy used. Wondering if this has changed? Have made up my mind on the 5196. No short to medium term plans of buying hard to get pcs. Not considering the 6119, 5227, 5119 or the previous iterations. Would be grateful if you can briefly explain your choice. For those who purchased from ADs, what was the main driver? Thanks a lot!
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15 June 2021, 08:43 PM | #2 |
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Do u need ur name on the warranty card? If yes, AD. If no, grey.
I went with an AD for my not hard to get piece as i wanted my name on the card when it eventually gets passed to my son and hopefully grandson
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16 June 2021, 12:37 AM | #3 |
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16 June 2021, 01:48 AM | #4 |
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5196R at retail or preowned?
Easy choice for me. If I am looking for a hard to get piece I am willing to pay a little extra to my AD if they will help me in acquiring that hard to get piece.
If you have absolutely no intention of acquiring anything else such as an aquanaut, nautilus or any hard to get pieces, save some money and go preowned. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
16 June 2021, 01:59 AM | #5 |
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As some of the other members mentioned, is the name on the paper more important to you or getting the best price on the watch?
Value wise, the 5196 will always be cheaper on the secondary market be it BNIB or used. If there are no extra factors like AD relationships for future pieces, name on the paper, etc. it would be smarter to save the cash. I also doubt buying a lonely 5196 is going to move the needle on securing some of the more sought after pieces. |
16 June 2021, 02:55 AM | #6 |
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5196s are creeping up to AD prices even if preowned.
Same goes for Neptunes, quartz PPs and other "collectibles". Asking prices, that is. |
16 June 2021, 05:19 AM | #7 |
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To have a piece of mind, go with AD and negotiate a discount.
i like the yellow gold piece....it ages well
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Torn between J and R but the R wins by a small margin. Unfortunately discounts on the Calatrava at the AD i contacted is a measly 2.5%… |
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16 June 2021, 02:01 PM | #9 |
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R is fashionable right now, Y is timeless.
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Also I noted you have no intentions of acquiring hard to get pieces. Hmmm you might go pre-owned market but with Patek you do want some hard pieces later on :) Pateks are addictive
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Thanks. Hopefully I do not get addicted Agree that the experience of getting a brand new watch (plus name and full warranty) is joyful and this is mainly causing the dilemma. Based on chrono24, the 5196R is strangely moving up (thus narrowing down price difference vs AD). Am almost convinced to go the AD route after all…
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17 June 2021, 01:48 AM | #13 |
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Hmmm am not sure that R is just fashionable right now, otherwise that is already such a long time being in fashion. Believe it will remain a staple.
Am with you on this. Both are beautiful but imo the R is the subtler and more elegant of the two. |
17 June 2021, 03:45 AM | #14 |
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Have you tried on the 5196R at the local AD? Do you like how it looks on your wrist? Are you ok with a manual wind watch? Are you ok with not having a display caseback?
General considerations of buying at AD vs pre-owned: does the pre-owned come with box and paper? How much price difference is there? When was the original sale date of the pre-owned watch and does it have any warranty leftover? With condition, has it been serviced or polished? If serviced, who serviced it and when? There are a lot more variables with buying pre-owned. If it is only a couple thousand $/€/£, sometimes piece of mind getting from an AD is worth it. I own the 5196P amongst other Calatravas and other Patek watches. It is a nice classic Calatrava with the seconds subdial at the 6 o'clock position. Whichever way you decide to go, enjoy your new upcoming watch |
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Agree and prefer its silver dial over the opaline of the J. I don't mind a solid case back and despite the small movement I prefer the 5196 over the new 6119. Personally I might go 5096J as the 5196R wore a little large on my 6.6 inch wrists for a simple dress watch (ended up going 3998P many years ago).
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I would go AD just for peace of mind. Yes, there are plenty of trusted sellers where you can save a few thousand (Davod SW) has one now.
But for the amount you are spending, for me, it’s worth knowing it is straight from Patek. Maybe you have no intention of buying anything hot now, but what if something you like comes out later. At least you’ll have a relationship. |
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AD only for me as well, especially if you are not planning on purchasing a multitude of watches down the line.
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To me, if you save less than 5%, I would go with the boutique/AD for a peace of mind and have some relationship with them.
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I might be wrong but aren't these trading around 17-19k USD? How does that compare to MSRP (I don't follow MSRP as CAD prices always throws it off for me with currency exchanges involved)?
I agree with the 5% +/- would be my threshold. |
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The spread has become very narrow.
Will the 5196 become the next 5711? |
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Exactly. Unfortunately none, which is why am taking my time to find a preowned piece. Hopefully NOS or less than 3yrs perhaps. |
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