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Juan Luis · 22 July 2019, 02:55 AM

The Submariner if one has other rolexes with date. So clean.

Dougiebaby · 22 July 2019, 03:05 AM

For a Sub, I MUCH prefer ND. It’s truer to the 1953 original and is so bloody beautiful (symmetry is perfect)...

If I need to know date (and 2nd/3rd TimeZone) I have my GMT...

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LeftCoastBias · 22 July 2019, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by seattlewatch

I just posted something similar in a related "reference library" thread -- but if you're deciding between the date & ND, the cyclops is *not* the only difference to be aware of!

The date version is actually larger, and I'm surprised how rarely that gets mentioned. Here’s a pic I took at The Hour Glass in Singapore in 2014 when making the decision between the two.

To me, the size difference was really significant – just look at the case height difference between the two. Part of this may be exaggerated by the angle of my picture, but there’s still definitely a difference.

On my wrist, I really noticed the difference – so I went with the no date. They’re obviously both amazing options, but for me personally, the clean look of the ND was hard to beat, and looking at it never gets old. I have the cyclops on my polar 16570, and love that one too, so I don’t think you can go wrong if deciding between the two.

Hope this picture helps, so much for ever getting to see them side-by-side in a store again anytime soon. In 2014 in singapore, they had everything in stock (hulk, batman, you name it), and they’d throw in a 10% discount without you even asking for it. Now I’m on a never-ending waitlist for the two pieces I want…

Anyone else know the actual size difference in mm’s?

I have both, and a caliper... and I can’t see any truth to your statement?

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FTX I · 22 July 2019, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoastBias

I have both, and a caliper... and I can’t see any truth to your statement?

Me too and you're right. Same thickness as well. On my wrist I feel the Sub Date is heavier but when I use a scale both weight the same.

LeftCoastBias · 22 July 2019, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FTX I

Me too and you're right. Same thickness as well. On my wrist I feel the Sub Date is heavier but when I use a scale both weight the same.

I actually wish it was true... my wrist is small, on the verge of too small for the sub-c.

FTX I · 22 July 2019, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoastBias

I actually wish it was true... my wrist is small, on the verge of too small for the sub-c.

I hear you. The 14060M is perfect for my chicken wrist so in terms of size it's the perfect watch for me. But I can't say it's my favorite. Love them all but the 114060 is the one I wear the most.

lemaitre · 22 July 2019, 04:12 AM

I find the date complication useful.

LeftCoastBias · 22 July 2019, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FTX I

I hear you. The 14060M is perfect for my chicken wrist so in terms of size it's the perfect watch for me. But I can't say it's my favorite. Love them all but the 114060 is the one I wear the most.

I like the proportions of my 5 digit, but hate the bracelet. And the 97200 looked weird when I swapped it on.

The 5 digit now resides strictly on a NATO strap and in my scuba bag.

AJMarcus · 22 July 2019, 04:20 AM

114060. Because it’s The Submariner..

AJMarcus · 22 July 2019, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoastBias

I have both, and a caliper... and I can’t see any truth to your statement?

- Sent via iPhone. Please excuse any typos or brevity in my message

Thanks for the measurements but honestly it’s all about how it fits, feels and looks on the wrist

weksa · 22 July 2019, 04:55 AM

Nice, solid data.

burnthesehills · 22 July 2019, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoastBias

I have both, and a caliper... and I can’t see any truth to your statement?

- Sent via iPhone. Please excuse any typos or brevity in my message

Very helpful, thank you. Can you also do case thickness - top to bottom?

LeftCoastBias · 22 July 2019, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by burnthesehills

Very helpful, thank you. Can you also do case thickness - top to bottom?

They’re both 12.7mm.

burnthesehills · 22 July 2019, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoastBias

They’re both 12.7mm.

Thanks!

billfredericks · 22 July 2019, 12:01 PM

Classic for me.

mdubya · 22 July 2019, 01:59 PM

6 digit date, 5 digit no date.

Gruely · 22 July 2019, 02:15 PM

My vote went to the Submariner. As other members have stated, I have a GMT as well if I feel the need to have the iconic cyclops/date.

johnjm · 22 July 2019, 02:46 PM

I wanted a daily that wasn't a unicorn. Already have a date complication in the GMT, but the main reason why I wanted no date was the symetrical dial. And over $1000 cheaper. It's a no brainier. And a great watch.

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d11n · 22 July 2019, 03:13 PM

I like no date - clean symmetric look

Subconscious · 24 July 2019, 04:37 AM

I sold my SubC no-date then bought the SubC with date.

Like many of you I like the look on the no-date more but the convenience of having a date function won for me.

subtona · 24 July 2019, 02:07 PM

No date currently.
Had a date for many years...

Can’t go wrong.

Boaters · 24 July 2019, 05:52 PM

Date for me..

HL65 · 24 July 2019, 06:45 PM

Submariner for me!

scheneider · 24 July 2019, 09:23 PM

i heard from my AD that most fake Sub come with a date. so a plus point for the original sub (nondate).

Homo Sapien X · 24 July 2019, 09:31 PM

For basic and less expensive entry level sub, I will choose a sub no date.

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Homo Sapien X · 24 July 2019, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scheneider

i heard from my AD that most fake Sub come with a date. so a plus point for the original sub (nondate).

Lmao. He may be right, the demand for Sub date is higher, especially in countries like Japan, Korea. Well the fake watch makers really know the market and the statistics well.

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jwellemeyer · 24 July 2019, 09:43 PM

No date for me with Peppa Pig playing in the background. Live the symmetry and simplicity.

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jvb.nc · 24 July 2019, 09:47 PM

i prefer a date. eventually i’m sure i’ll add a ND on a strap for camping and such, but until then it’s helpful for me to know what date it is, and i often leave my phone in the office when i’m on the sales floor. although it has gotten easier to deal with since i’ve been wearing a daytona and a no-date panerai a lot in the last year or so.

jwellemeyer · 24 July 2019, 10:18 PM

I prefer no date.

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depmur · 24 July 2019, 10:35 PM

After spending 18 months with a Explorer as my daily watch I purchased a ND Sub. One advantage is if it runs down you don’t have to mess with getting the date correct just the time.

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View Poll Results: Sub date vs no date
Date	463	42.40%
No Date	629	57.60%
Voters: 1092. You may not vote on this poll

22 July 2019, 02:46 PM	#138
johnjm "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Africa Posts: 1,152	I wanted a daily that wasn't a unicorn. Already have a date complication in the GMT, but the main reason why I wanted no date was the symetrical dial. And over $1000 cheaper. It's a no brainier. And a great watch. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk __________________ 114300;116710;116500;114060;126710;5500;6084

24 July 2019, 02:07 PM	#141
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,987	No date currently. Had a date for many years... Can’t go wrong. __________________

24 July 2019, 06:45 PM	#143
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,385	Submariner for me! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

22 July 2019, 02:55 AM	#121
Juan Luis 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Juan Luis Location: Dominican Rep. Watch: Undecided Posts: 1,325	The Submariner if one has other rolexes with date. So clean.

22 July 2019, 03:05 AM	#122
Dougiebaby "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Doug Location: Charlotte, NC Watch: Daytona BLNR SubLV Posts: 2,247	For a Sub, I MUCH prefer ND. It’s truer to the 1953 original and is so bloody beautiful (symmetry is perfect)... If I need to know date (and 2nd/3rd TimeZone) I have my GMT... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 July 2019, 04:12 AM	#127
lemaitre "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Cartagena Watch: Rolex 116610LN Posts: 76	I find the date complication useful.

22 July 2019, 04:20 AM	#129
AJMarcus "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: AJ Location: USA Watch: Swiss Posts: 5,205	114060. Because it’s The Submariner..

22 July 2019, 04:55 AM	#131
weksa "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: California Posts: 64	Nice, solid data.

22 July 2019, 12:01 PM	#135
billfredericks 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Real Name: George Location: Massachusetts Watch: Milgauss Posts: 685	Classic for me.

22 July 2019, 01:59 PM	#136
mdubya "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 132	6 digit date, 5 digit no date.

22 July 2019, 02:15 PM	#137
Gruely "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Ohio Watch: 114270 Posts: 1	My vote went to the Submariner. As other members have stated, I have a GMT as well if I feel the need to have the iconic cyclops/date.

22 July 2019, 03:13 PM	#139
d11n "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: UTC/GMT -8 hours Watch: yes Posts: 415	I like no date - clean symmetric look

24 July 2019, 04:37 AM	#140
Subconscious "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: NL Location: Canada Watch: 116610LN Posts: 80	I sold my SubC no-date then bought the SubC with date. Like many of you I like the look on the no-date more but the convenience of having a date function won for me.

24 July 2019, 05:52 PM	#142
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,649	Date for me..

24 July 2019, 09:23 PM	#144
scheneider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Singapore/London Posts: 545	i heard from my AD that most fake Sub come with a date. so a plus point for the original sub (nondate).

24 July 2019, 09:31 PM	#145
Homo Sapien X "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 237	For basic and less expensive entry level sub, I will choose a sub no date. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 July 2019, 09:43 PM	#147
jwellemeyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Virginia Posts: 5	No date for me with Peppa Pig playing in the background. Live the symmetry and simplicity. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 July 2019, 09:47 PM	#148
jvb.nc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: NC / CA Watch: 228206meteorite Posts: 1,333	i prefer a date. eventually i’m sure i’ll add a ND on a strap for camping and such, but until then it’s helpful for me to know what date it is, and i often leave my phone in the office when i’m on the sales floor. although it has gotten easier to deal with since i’ve been wearing a daytona and a no-date panerai a lot in the last year or so.

24 July 2019, 10:18 PM	#149
jwellemeyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Virginia Posts: 5	I prefer no date. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 July 2019, 10:35 PM	#150
depmur "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 25	After spending 18 months with a Explorer as my daily watch I purchased a ND Sub. One advantage is if it runs down you don’t have to mess with getting the date correct just the time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

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