Anyone have the new Speedy and a Submariner?

[t60]

Hi all, with the new Speedy being ever so slightly smaller than the Sub C now, especially with more flexibility on the end links, I was curious if anyone could help me with doing a side by side of the two? My wrist can barely (IMO) accommodate the Sub C (116610LN), and when I tried the "old" Speedy I couldn't do it due to the lug to lug.

The new speedy looks more comfortable, but I was curious by how much. I do plan on making an appointment to check one out at an AD, but like to have my ducks in a row before wasting their time :)

Thank you in advance!

[AJMarcus]

My understanding is the 3861 and 1861 have essentially the same case dimensions and wear the same. Dimension wise the only thing that significantly changed was the 3861 bracelet is tapered to 15mm I believe. Hodinkee and Fratello both have some excellent reviews on the comparison between the two Speedmasters.

[t60]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

My understanding is the 3861 and 1861 have essentially the same case dimensions and wear the same. Dimension wise the only thing that significantly changed was the 3861 bracelet is tapered to 15mm I believe. Hodinkee and Fratello both have some excellent reviews on the comparison between the two Speedmasters.

While I appreciate the comment, as someone with a small wrist, the changes to the case and bracelet are actually substantial to me:

1) The lugs are designed ever so slightly differently, where it appears smaller and has an actual reduction in lug to lug length.
2) The end links are designed in such a way that there's almost no "end link bulk". If you look at the old vs new, the old has extended end links on the middle which make it longer.

Given these changes, I suspect the new Speedy actually wears smaller than the old, but I'm not sure what the side by side is with the Sub C. I see plenty of 1861 vs Sub C posts, but no 3861 vs Sub C yet.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

My understanding is the 3861 and 1861 have essentially the same case dimensions and wear the same. Dimension wise the only thing that significantly changed was the 3861 bracelet is tapered to 15mm I believe. Hodinkee and Fratello both have some excellent reviews on the comparison between the two Speedmasters.

This is not true at all. The changes may seem subtle to some and significant to others. As the post above mentions, the lug shape is different and the lug to lug is 1mm less. The 3861 is also a thinner watch, and the end links do make a difference in how the new Speedmaster wears (they do not protrude). It also wears lighter due to the bracelet design. It does remain at 42mm in diameter. I have a smallish wrist and it wears beautifully on my wrist. I'll take that 1mm difference.

@t60 I don't have a Sub to compare.

[Spikedlee]

Originally Posted by t60

Hi all, with the new Speedy being ever so slightly smaller than the Sub C now, especially with more flexibility on the end links, I was curious if anyone could help me with doing a side by side of the two? My wrist can barely (IMO) accommodate the Sub C (116610LN), and when I tried the "old" Speedy I couldn't do it due to the lug to lug.

The new speedy looks more comfortable, but I was curious by how much. I do plan on making an appointment to check one out at an AD, but like to have my ducks in a row before wasting their time :)

Thank you in advance!

Here you go...





The size gap between the 1861 and 3861 is trivial. If you have an issue with the size of the 1861 the 3861 will be no better.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Spikedlee

Here you go...

I think the big case Sub looks like a brick compared to the Speedy in this photo!

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by ratty

I think the big case Sub looks like a brick compared to the Speedy in this photo!

awesome !!! thanks for sharing

[1William]

Good pictures.

[brandrea]

Awesome comparison shots Ratty

OP, it sounds to me like you’ll need to try it on.

[Krash]

I have the 1863 on a leather strap and the 114060 Submariner. Despite the Speedmaster being 42mm, I think they wear about the same. Lug to lug size is 48mm for both too. However, I do think the Speedmaster on a bracelet wears bigger than the Submariner. My 2 cents.

Definitely consider the Speedmaster on a leather strap. It will wear smaller.




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[David5807]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

My understanding is the 3861 and 1861 have essentially the same case dimensions and wear the same. Dimension wise the only thing that significantly changed was the 3861 bracelet is tapered to 15mm I believe. Hodinkee and Fratello both have some excellent reviews on the comparison between the two Speedmasters.

I would have to agree based on what I have read and seen online.

[t60]

Thanks for the photos and info, greatly appreciated!

[zengineer]

I think Omega includes the crown guards to get the 42/43mm and the Rolex does not. The Sub C "40mm" measures 40.2 and the new Sub C "41" measures just 0.3 larger at 40.5mm.

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[Krash]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I think Omega includes the crown guards to get the 42/43mm and the Rolex does not. The Sub C "40mm" measures 40.2 and the new Sub C "41" measures just 0.3 larger at 40.5mm.

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I’m not sure that’s true. Especially for the Seamaster. I don’t have digital calipers to confirm one way or the other.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Krash

I’m not sure that’s true. Especially for the Seamaster. I don’t have digital calipers to confirm one way or the other.


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Omega does count the crown guards for the 42mm case. I've measured.

[MichelleP]

Originally Posted by t60

Hi all, with the new Speedy being ever so slightly smaller than the Sub C now, especially with more flexibility on the end links, I was curious if anyone could help me with doing a side by side of the two? My wrist can barely (IMO) accommodate the Sub C (116610LN), and when I tried the "old" Speedy I couldn't do it due to the lug to lug.

The new speedy looks more comfortable, but I was curious by how much. I do plan on making an appointment to check one out at an AD, but like to have my ducks in a row before wasting their time :)

Thank you in advance!

I just picked up the Speedy and I have 6.5” wrist. I had the same issue with the end links on the previous iteration. I don’t think you’ll have an issue with the new one. Fit is much better

[soundserious]

Pictures above are useless, you need to see the watch in side profile to understand the difference in the bracelet and how it fits. Better yet go try one on if possible and the difference is obvious.

[Dr.Stu]

Originally Posted by MichelleP

I just picked up the Speedy and I have 6.5” wrist. I had the same issue with the end links on the previous iteration. I don’t think you’ll have an issue with the new one. Fit is much better

Absolutely agree, and I have a 6.5" wrist as well.

I do have them both: the new SubC Date (126610), the new Speedy Hesalite 3861, and also a Speedy 1863 Sapphire sandwich.

I wear (and love) the 1863 on a brown leather strap. I went for the sapphire on that model (aside from the fact that I like to see the movement) because it sat a bit thinner on the wrist than the 1861 Hesalite with the thick steel back, and went for the strap b/c the lug-to-lug w/the endlinks/bracelet was just too much for my wrist size. I can tell you that the new Hesalite 3861 on the new bracelet sits almost identically to the 1863 Sapphire, and the new bracelet drops straight-down from the spring bars- so no end-link overhang.

Omega Hesalite 3861.jpg

I find the watch extremely comfortable to wear, whereas the 1861 on bracelet was just too big. The new, more dramatic bracelet taper and the smaller clasp- compared to the big clunky one on the 1861 make the watch more wearable for me, too.

Omega Hesalite 3861 wrist.jpg

Regarding the 126610, I waited for it b/c the super-case/boxy lugs of the 116610 were just too much for me (also kept me from buying a Smurf- which I really wanted to fit right), and, even though the stated size is bigger, the overall proportions and fit are just right for me.

All that said, you'll really need to try them on yourself but, I would expect that you will have no problem with the Hesalite 3861 & will likely find it a good fit (if your wrist is similar to mine, which it sounds like it is).

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Krash

I’m not sure that’s true. Especially for the Seamaster. I don’t have digital calipers to confirm one way or the other.


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I was only dealing with the Speedmasters and my knowledge ends with what I guess was a recent update. Look at the FOIS. Same as the 42 mm pro moon watch but without crown guards so they call it a 40mm.

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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Krash

I’m not sure that’s true. Especially for the Seamaster. I don’t have digital calipers to confirm one way or the other.


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Originally Posted by gnuyork

Omega does count the crown guards for the 42mm case. I've measured.

Let me re-phrase... True for the Seamaster Planet Ocean, as well as the Speedmaster. I would assume the same for the Seamaster 300 based on these others, but I have never even tried a Seamaster 300 on, let alone measure.

[Mikegp]

Here’s a photo of the new speedy 3861 and the new sub 124060




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[1William]

Nice watches. Good to see two new models side by side.

[brandrea]

Can any owners of the new Speedy comment on the bracelet “sharpness” that I’m hearing about in reviews?

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Can any owners of the new Speedy comment on the bracelet “sharpness” that I’m hearing about in reviews?

Non issue for me. Like I can't even believe it's a topic of debate non issue.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Non issue for me. Like I can't even believe it's a topic of debate non issue.

Thank you for that.

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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Thank you for that.

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Clearly others have their opinions, so your mileage may vary. But for me personally it's a very comfortable bracelet and fit.

[MichelleP]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Can any owners of the new Speedy comment on the bracelet “sharpness” that I’m hearing about in reviews?

No issues for me either. I find it very comfortable

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by MichelleP

No issues for me either. I find it very comfortable

Thank you for this

I wonder why some reviews refer to it as "sharp"

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[Mikegp]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Can any owners of the new Speedy comment on the bracelet “sharpness” that I’m hearing about in reviews?

Bracelet is amazing, dont know what theyre talking about.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Mikegp

Bracelet is amazing, dont know what theyre talking about.

I'm begging to wonder too

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