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Watchvirgin · 8 December 2010, 01:52 PM

Can anyone tell me if this is real or fake?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/1/7...29665490_o.jpg

Thanks

Ash

MNDZA · 8 December 2010, 04:12 PM

I've never seen that one before, but I'm not sure. I thought all Luminors say reg tm on the crown guard though.

SkyKing31 · 8 December 2010, 04:14 PM

Take it to a watch maker .. Perhaps mayor's jewelers if you have one in you're part of the world .. Merry Christmas

Robbie Wilsdorf

H2F · 8 December 2010, 04:30 PM

Looks like a 251, but no clue on authenticity.

Lots of super quality fakes out there. As always, buy the seller first...

MNDZA · 8 December 2010, 04:54 PM

Based on comparisons to pictures I've seen of the 251, I can't find anything out of place. But be careful since fakes are being made very authentic looking

Andad · 8 December 2010, 05:34 PM

IMO
That looks ok but then so do the fakes and the fakes have the same movement although the Panerai movement is a blueprinted movement and the quality is what you would expect.
Only the full package would give me peace of mind confirmed by a Panerai AD.

Watchvirgin · 8 December 2010, 11:51 PM

Well someone has told me it IS a fake! Reasons being :
Crown bridge pin is not flatten, chrono hand tubes shouldn't be black but silver, the date wheel is recessed, ...

Mosco · 9 December 2010, 01:10 AM

Ok, so you answered your own question.

It is impossible to tell from just one pic whether the watch is fake or real, unless it is an obvious fake.

Watchvirgin · 9 December 2010, 01:23 AM

I really didn't answer my own question. I also agree with you, but I didn't want to take a few thousand $$ chance. I think I will buy from someone on this forum that has sold on here before!!!

Mosco · 9 December 2010, 01:31 AM

from the pic you posted, it is really hard to tell. The date wheel may appear recessed, but only because of the source of light and shadow (take it from me, I take watch pics daily). The hands are indeed silver, but polished finish is highly reflective, so if it is dark in front of the watch, or the camera itself is casting a shadow, they may also appear black. And not 100% sure what you mean by 'Crown bridge pin is not flatten'

Here's a pic I took of the 297 face-on, hands appear black:

but turn it slightly, and the side-light makes them take their natural color:

Hope this helps somewhat.

Or, you can run the seller past us on the 'Who's Who' and see what the masses have to say. Remember, BUY THE SELLER, NOT THE WATCH.

Watchvirgin · 9 December 2010, 01:45 AM

Thanks for the help. I understand!

Nice PICS. I am going to pass on this watch, but will ask the "who's who."

I am getting so antsy on buying my next watch (first panerai or rolex) and don't want to make the wrong decision!!

Thanks again Mosco

MonBK · 9 December 2010, 01:47 AM

Your pictures are awesome nowadays Tav....

Have you hired a professional?

Dr.Brian · 9 December 2010, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchvirgin

Well someone has told me it IS a fake! Reasons being :
Crown bridge pin is not flatten, chrono hand tubes shouldn't be black but silver, the date wheel is recessed, ...

The hands on the 251 are black. I almost bought one 2 years ago and know it well.
The date wheel does look recessed too far, BUT that could simply be the angle and shadow of the photo. HOWEVER, in this case, the font of the date wheel does not seem bold enough. It should "pop" deeply black. This watch seems to have a less bold font and does not "pop" like the other numbers on the dial. Look at a real photo from paneristi, etc. you'll see what I mean. The font on the inner minutes numbers is not correct.
Also, the crown pin should be flat, seems domed. The central pinion for the second had appears flat and I think it should be slightly domed. It looks hollow because it is so flat.
Fake-er-ino. Good, but as always, flawed.

Mosco · 9 December 2010, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watchvirgin

Thanks for the help. I understand!

Nice PICS. I am going to pass on this watch, but will ask the "who's who."

I am getting so antsy on buying my next watch (first panerai or rolex) and don't want to make the wrong decision!!

Thanks again Mosco

No prob

Don't rush it, think it through, and get what you really want. Let me know if I can help with anything else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Your pictures are awesome nowadays Tav....

Have you hired a professional?

Thanks! No, take them myself, just a decent camera and a lightbox...

globoat · 9 December 2010, 03:06 AM

^^Home made light box or prefessional light box?

Mosco · 9 December 2010, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globoat

^^Home made light box or prefessional light box?

Both

I ordered it online, but I'm certain the guy actually makes these himself.

8 December 2010, 01:52 PM	#1
Watchvirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Ash_Flash Location: Washington, DC Watch: AP Posts: 901	Help with Authenticity Can anyone tell me if this is real or fake? http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/1/7...29665490_o.jpg Thanks Ash

8 December 2010, 05:34 PM	#6
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,865	IMO That looks ok but then so do the fakes and the fakes have the same movement although the Panerai movement is a blueprinted movement and the quality is what you would expect. Only the full package would give me peace of mind confirmed by a Panerai AD. __________________ E

9 December 2010, 01:10 AM	#8
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Ok, so you answered your own question. It is impossible to tell from just one pic whether the watch is fake or real, unless it is an obvious fake. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 December 2010, 01:31 AM	#10
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	from the pic you posted, it is really hard to tell. The date wheel may appear recessed, but only because of the source of light and shadow (take it from me, I take watch pics daily). The hands are indeed silver, but polished finish is highly reflective, so if it is dark in front of the watch, or the camera itself is casting a shadow, they may also appear black. And not 100% sure what you mean by 'Crown bridge pin is not flatten' Here's a pic I took of the 297 face-on, hands appear black: but turn it slightly, and the side-light makes them take their natural color: Hope this helps somewhat. Or, you can run the seller past us on the 'Who's Who' and see what the masses have to say. Remember, BUY THE SELLER, NOT THE WATCH. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

8 December 2010, 04:12 PM	#2
MNDZA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 139	I've never seen that one before, but I'm not sure. I thought all Luminors say reg tm on the crown guard though.

8 December 2010, 04:14 PM	#3
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	Take it to a watch maker .. Perhaps mayor's jewelers if you have one in you're part of the world .. Merry Christmas Robbie Wilsdorf

8 December 2010, 04:30 PM	#4
H2F "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Horace Location: RPV, CA & JAKARTA Watch: Pam & Lings Posts: 89	Looks like a 251, but no clue on authenticity. Lots of super quality fakes out there. As always, buy the seller first...

8 December 2010, 04:54 PM	#5
MNDZA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 139	Based on comparisons to pictures I've seen of the 251, I can't find anything out of place. But be careful since fakes are being made very authentic looking

8 December 2010, 11:51 PM	#7
Watchvirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Ash_Flash Location: Washington, DC Watch: AP Posts: 901	Well someone has told me it IS a fake! Reasons being : Crown bridge pin is not flatten, chrono hand tubes shouldn't be black but silver, the date wheel is recessed, ...

9 December 2010, 01:23 AM	#9
Watchvirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Ash_Flash Location: Washington, DC Watch: AP Posts: 901	I really didn't answer my own question. I also agree with you, but I didn't want to take a few thousand $$ chance. I think I will buy from someone on this forum that has sold on here before!!!

9 December 2010, 01:45 AM	#11
Watchvirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Ash_Flash Location: Washington, DC Watch: AP Posts: 901	Thanks for the help. I understand! Nice PICS. I am going to pass on this watch, but will ask the "who's who." I am getting so antsy on buying my next watch (first panerai or rolex) and don't want to make the wrong decision!! Thanks again Mosco

9 December 2010, 01:47 AM	#12
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	Your pictures are awesome nowadays Tav.... Have you hired a professional?

9 December 2010, 03:06 AM	#15
globoat Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 31	^^Home made light box or prefessional light box?

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