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rootbeer7 · 16 December 2023, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Goochy

See post#31. The OP purchased it from a friend and it can be returned. The OP is doing his checks and investigations here, it’s a tricky one when you buy from a friend.

Add to this that if this is a fake/Franken his friend may have had it for years. There are many floating around. To the untrained, they wouldn’t be picked up. As I said in the beginning, there was something about this one that just looked off.

shammad10 · 16 December 2023, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Goochy

See post#31. The OP purchased it from a friend and it can be returned. The OP is doing his checks and investigations here, it’s a tricky one when you buy from a friend.

Completely disagree with you. Regardless of where you buy from you need to do your due diligence. Buying a watch and then trying to work out its provenance is the wrong way round. He should have taken photos etc first, got the back opened and then bought it.
If it was such a good friend, he wouldn't have had an issue with that.

KY.. · 16 December 2023, 06:36 PM

Sorry OP I have doubts.
IMO, it reminds me of Gevril bezels.
Decided to show the OP’s bezel (red outline) compared to the known Mazzariol bezels and Gevril.
Thoughts?
OP bezel compared to MK1.jpeg
OP bezel compared to MK2.jpeg
OP bezel compare to MK3.jpeg
bezel compare OP to Mazzariol 1.jpeg
d7x3l4Th.jpg

Goochy · 16 December 2023, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shammad10

Completely disagree with you. Regardless of where you buy from you need to do your due diligence. Buying a watch and then trying to work out its provenance is the wrong way round. He should have taken photos etc first, got the back opened and then bought it.
If it was such a good friend, he wouldn't have had an issue with that.

Each to his own. I’d have a hard time telling a good friend of mine that I didn’t trust him. Like I said, always tricky buying anything from a friend.

Dom9 · 16 December 2023, 09:41 PM

Always fascinated reading these threads and seeing Paul and Jose's input and research! is there a more knowledgeable community, willing to share their research, on the web?

TuRo · 17 December 2023, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KY..

Sorry OP I have doubts.
IMO, it reminds me of Gevril bezels.
Decided to show the OP’s bezel (red outline) compared to the known Mazzariol bezels and Gevril.
Thoughts?
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K, I think i agree with you. Difficult to be 100%... but the U in HOUR is wider and well away from O and closer to R than any of the marks.

jedione65 · 17 December 2023, 02:23 AM

Wow who knew these vintage Daytonas are such a minefield and a big risk for the money paid if something is wrong. At least he said he can return it if need be.

swish77 · 17 December 2023, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jedione65

Wow who knew these vintage Daytonas are such a minefield and a big risk for the money paid if something is wrong. At least he said he can return it if need be.

No more a minefield than any other vintage Rolex, although the stakes are higher.

Dan S · 17 December 2023, 04:54 AM

The bezel is definitely going to need some scrutiny.

swish77 · 20 December 2023, 04:06 AM

Any update on this Daytona?

avilhena · 20 December 2023, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

Any update on this Daytona?

Hi! I’ll return the watch, no problem. Thanks for all the input

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Dench · 20 December 2023, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KY..

Sorry OP I have doubts.
IMO, it reminds me of Gevril bezels.
Decided to show the OP’s bezel (red outline) compared to the known Mazzariol bezels and Gevril.
Thoughts?

Excellent work!
The OP's bezel has a 2 in 120 that doesn't match any of the known correct bezels. At least to my untrained eye.

swish77 · 21 December 2023, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by avilhena

Hi! I’ll return the watch, no problem. Thanks for all the input

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Did you end up seeing the movement? Was this watch just totally fake, or a mix and match of authentic and aftermarket? And what about the punched paper that supposedly matched the watch?

There was so much back and forth and info about this watch, would be good to know the final outcome with details.

GGGMT · 22 December 2023, 01:22 AM

Cmon OP! Talk to us. Open to close the book!

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Watcheroo · 22 December 2023, 01:58 AM

Great thread. I hope OP shares more about the watch.

avilhena · 2 February 2024, 04:58 AM

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pereztroika · 2 February 2024, 09:54 AM

Caseback and movement look alright, movement is even super consistent with other pieces in close case number proximity. The strange case shape remains a mystery...

Cheers

Jose

77T · 2 February 2024, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by avilhena

Indeed a mystery midcase.

What plans do you have for validation?

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Dom9 · 9 February 2024, 05:30 AM

There is something off about the movement for me, in the side-by-side. There is a seller in Vietnam who can modify a V72 to a cal 722/722-1 or a V726 to a cal 727, at truly enormous cost, and they generally seems to be dropped into a fake case, with the recesses cut in for the pushers, like this one.

itsrdv · 13 February 2024, 05:05 AM

What happened finally? Did you return the watch?

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lovegmt73 · 13 February 2024, 06:27 PM

What was the price for this Watch ?

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16 December 2023, 06:36 PM	#63
KY.. 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Real Name: Keith Location: California Watch: 60s to 90s Posts: 1,267	Sorry OP I have doubts. IMO, it reminds me of Gevril bezels. Decided to show the OP’s bezel (red outline) compared to the known Mazzariol bezels and Gevril. Thoughts? OP bezel compared to MK1.jpeg OP bezel compared to MK2.jpeg OP bezel compare to MK3.jpeg bezel compare OP to Mazzariol 1.jpeg d7x3l4Th.jpg __________________ Just an admirer/enthusiast of vintage Rolex/Heuer/Zenith/Breitling/Hamilton watches since the 80’s… ”I Do Love The Details, But I Can Choose If I Accept The Flaws…”

16 December 2023, 09:41 PM	#65
Dom9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Real Name: Dom Location: Surrey, UK Watch: SD16600 & 9411 Posts: 314	Always fascinated reading these threads and seeing Paul and Jose's input and research! is there a more knowledgeable community, willing to share their research, on the web? __________________ Rolex 16610, 16600, Tudor 9411/0 (black and blue) and a black 76100

17 December 2023, 04:54 AM	#69
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,974	The bezel is definitely going to need some scrutiny. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

2 February 2024, 04:58 AM	#76
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2 February 2024, 09:54 AM	#77
pereztroika "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Vanguard Posts: 113	Caseback and movement look alright, movement is even super consistent with other pieces in close case number proximity. The strange case shape remains a mystery... Cheers Jose __________________ Author of Perezcope – Iconic timepieces under the loupe Instagram: @perezcope

17 December 2023, 02:23 AM	#67
jedione65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 204	Wow who knew these vintage Daytonas are such a minefield and a big risk for the money paid if something is wrong. At least he said he can return it if need be.

20 December 2023, 04:06 AM	#70
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,818	Any update on this Daytona?

22 December 2023, 01:22 AM	#74
GGGMT 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,099	Cmon OP! Talk to us. Open to close the book! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 December 2023, 01:58 AM	#75
Watcheroo 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,917	Great thread. I hope OP shares more about the watch.

9 February 2024, 05:30 AM	#79
Dom9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Real Name: Dom Location: Surrey, UK Watch: SD16600 & 9411 Posts: 314	There is something off about the movement for me, in the side-by-side. There is a seller in Vietnam who can modify a V72 to a cal 722/722-1 or a V726 to a cal 727, at truly enormous cost, and they generally seems to be dropped into a fake case, with the recesses cut in for the pushers, like this one. __________________ Rolex 16610, 16600, Tudor 9411/0 (black and blue) and a black 76100

13 February 2024, 05:05 AM	#80
itsrdv "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2024 Location: Barcelona Posts: 14	What happened finally? Did you return the watch? Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

13 February 2024, 06:27 PM	#81
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