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Old 19 February 2024, 09:55 PM   #1
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Ladies Rolex vintage cocktail time piece

Hi. My first post and thanks for allowing me into the forum. I recently purchased a vintage Rolex cocktail watch for my wife. This was purchased from Catawiki web site via a AD in Belgium. It came without papers but am assured it is genuine. Recently sent it off to Rolex Switzerland for service and they quoted in excess of €2500 before any parts etc so I declined. I was informed by the AD that had there been any descrepency as to its authenticity they would have just returned the watch without and quotation. My problem now is that there is no serial number visible either on the inside back case or on the movement. Added 3 pics which hopefully are self explanatory. Any help or advice will be much appreciated.
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Old 20 February 2024, 12:17 AM   #2
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Cocktail dressers mostly have a 3 or 4 digit number on the outside caseback.
Yours is looking quite similiar than this one.
If you cant see a caseback engraving, it might have been polished out within a service. Those engravings on that models have been very light.
This movements should be able to get serviced for a couple hundreds at any independent watchmaker and nothing quite difficult as well.
Mostly Rolex used here also ESA or FHF basic movements and only modified them.- As seen in dozens other orchid or cellinis



There has been a time, a couple decades ago, where everyone wants this models. Nowadays there is a low request rate and the prices are very close to scrap value.
Regarding the movement, its a
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Old 20 February 2024, 07:12 AM   #3
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I would very much appreciate the information you have on the movement. Seems though you were cut off mid stream.
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Old 20 February 2024, 07:36 AM   #4
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Not sure why you need a serial number. You're convinced that it's authentic and it is what it is. If your wife likes it, I'd suggest having it serviced by a local watchmaker. With any luck it will just be a cheap simple job.
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Old 20 February 2024, 05:31 PM   #5
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I would very much appreciate the information you have on the movement. Seems though you were cut off mid stream.

You are right. Obviously there has been half of my sentence missing.

Well.
I just wanted to say that the movement is a basic version handwinding one which mostly wasnt only used by rolex. Those movements are easy repairs for every half trained watchmaker and for a couple hundred bucks serviceable. The watchmakers mostly have some old books where they can see which caliber is the "mother-caliber" of the one he is working on and see where to order damaged parts (if they need some). The caliber number should be written under the balance wheel.
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Old 20 February 2024, 07:30 PM   #6
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Recently sent it off to Rolex Switzerland for service and they quoted in excess of €2500 before any parts etc so I declined. I was informed by the AD that had there been any descrepency as to its authenticity they would have just returned the watch without and quotation. My problem now is that there is no serial number visible either on the inside back case or on the movement.
OK - then the serial number is on the €2500 Rolex Service Center quote.

Please post a photo of that and I’m sure we can guide you to see the s/n (you can redact your personal info).


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Old 21 February 2024, 12:03 AM   #7
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Hi thanks for your comments. I am in need of the S/N so the AD here can put a value on it for insurance purposes. In reality it cost €175 to send it to Rolex from Malta. But having declined their service costs they did not provide me with a serial number. The AD told me that they probably did not even remove the back.
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