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Old 24 December 2009, 12:52 AM   #1
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This would not be considered theft unfortunately, sadly there is not much recourse in terms of legalities. Most often these types of transactions are considered civil issues and can only be handled through civil court. Joey contact me at mattherrera58@gmail.com or 719-214-2277....I can let you know what your options are. I am so sorry buddy.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:40 AM   #2
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This would not be considered theft unfortunately, sadly there is not much recourse in terms of legalities. Most often these types of transactions are considered civil issues and can only be handled through civil court. Joey contact me at mattherrera58@gmail.com or 719-214-2277....I can let you know what your options are. I am so sorry buddy.
Matt, you are 100% incorrect. It is called fraud in my business, which is criminal. Better take some time and look at some fraud statutes.

It is also a federal violation!
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:45 AM   #3
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Mail fraud is a federal crime

this certainly is it. Contact the local PD as well as the Postal Inspector Service.
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Old 24 December 2009, 12:52 AM   #4
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Oh man that stinks. Google Maps comes up with the street, but no finding on the #. Based on the Google-maps #'ing, he lives on a nice cul-de-sac.

Let's hope his dog died or he's in the hospital or something. I'd be sick for you otherwise.
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Old 24 December 2009, 12:54 AM   #5
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Oh man that stinks. Google Maps comes up with the street, but no finding on the #. Based on the Google-maps #'ing, he lives on a nice cul-de-sac.

Let's hope his dog died or he's in the hospital or something. I'd be sick for you otherwise.


I did the same thing, but the numbers on the house only reach 396.
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Old 24 December 2009, 12:57 AM   #6
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Now, why was he banned? Did the Mod know something you didn't? Maybe his selling privileges should have been questioned? Damn! I hope the hell this works out and it's all a minor mix up and he is just not home or something silly like that.
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Old 24 December 2009, 12:58 AM   #7
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Makes me sick to read this - I am so sorry.

We need our own TRF Task Force...
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:31 AM   #8
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:00 AM   #9
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Can someone blow up this pic and see if there is an address on the cert?

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Old 24 December 2009, 01:06 AM   #10
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I am so sorry this has happened to you.

He was BANNED for not providing a copy of the certificate as requested...See link below:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=103682
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:11 AM   #11
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What a fvcking turd! If he is indeed a scammer!
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:15 AM   #12
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Oh shit!

Not before Xmas. I contacted the guy while back but no solid or verifiable references....

and now this. Anyone lives nearby to help the Doc out?

It stinks to have this happened right here at TRF. I've always thought we're one of the safest place ...
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:15 AM   #13
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If he's reading this, I hope he will realize that a couple Rolexes aren't worth two broken kneecaps and other permanent bodily damage and comes clean. In modern day it is not that hard to find him. Search is in the works.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:17 AM   #14
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If he's reading this, I hope he will realize that a couple Rolexes aren't worth two broken kneecaps and other permanent bodily damage and comes clean. In modern day it is not that hard to find him. Search is in the works.
greg...THATs why we get along..great minds think alike. lemme know if i can help. you know where to find me.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:26 AM   #15
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Rediculous.....I was seriously considering that TT with the Serti. Good luck man! I work with some people in SC, They're checking on the name/addr.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:33 AM   #16
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I hope this will have a happy ending for you.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:36 AM   #17
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no such address

404 Waterville Dr Columbia SC
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:41 AM   #18
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That is absolutely disgusting

I hope you recoup your watches.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:53 AM   #19
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No such address 404 Waterville Dr Columbia SC
The thing is that FedEx sent me verification of delivery to that very address yesterday afternoon. My two watches were delivered and signed for by a "C Hayes" at 12:36 at 404 Waterville.

What really pisses me off is that I sent him my Submariner 16613 with a custom diamond dial I bought in 1992. The only watch I would ever consider trading or selling it for is the 16618.

I did a reverse phone search on his number and found that it is registered to a "Don Jones" in Columbia.

I am off to the bank to find out where my money went. Thanks so very much for your words of support. I feel like an idiot for not checking this guy out better, but I felt safe here at TRF, having done a great transaction in the past on a Datejust, (which is now in Don's hands.)
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:57 AM   #20
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joeychitwood,

PM me all the info that you have on this guy, the internet forensics contact I have can find out personal info form posters on "anonymous" posting web sites, so if you have any info I am sure he can find out who he really is.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:59 AM   #21
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joeychitwood,

PM me all the info that you have on this guy, the internet forensics contact I have can find out personal info form posters on "anonymous" posting web sites, so if you have any info I am sure he can find out who he really is.
Thanks. I'll forward the information I have on Andy Hayes aka Don Jones.
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Old 24 December 2009, 06:00 AM   #22
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joeychitwood,

PM me all the info that you have on this guy, the internet forensics contact I have can find out personal info form posters on "anonymous" posting web sites, so if you have any info I am sure he can find out who he really is.
Great all the help you willing to provide the poor man here , however I'm pretty sure that the bas... scammer is checking what we write about him . Let's not give him any info that he can use to avoid making a mistake and hence locate him .
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:35 AM   #23
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These are the reasons why you see the news from time to time saying that a bod was found decomposed in the trunk of a car or in a bush. I've seen people do this type of stuff here in Miami and next morning you hear that they were found on the side of a road in an industrial park with an ant pile growing in their mouths.

Don't like violence and it doesn't solve anything, but not everyone thinks like me. And you may come across some crazy motherfu%ker that won't be contacting the authorities in this scenario.
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Old 24 December 2009, 01:43 AM   #24
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Good luck. Will be thinking about you. Please keep us posted.
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:22 AM   #25
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I KNOW what you are going through and I REALLY feel for you. I was scammed in Sep 2008 and wrote about it here on TRF. A SICKENING feeling. Go talk to your bank and see what they can find out. Also, as suggested, call the authorities immediately. Unfortunately, my scammer was in Canada and I have no idea if he was ever caught. I contacted the FBI as well with details but they never contacted me back to follow-up. A helpless feeling indeed.

I REALLY hope that the watches you sent were insured. I am adamant about insurance and the watch I sent my scammer WAS covered so I ended up making a claim and being reimbursed THANK G-D.

Please keep us posted and don't give up. Wishing you all the best.

I PRAY that your scammer GETS WHAT'S COMING TO HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:26 AM   #26
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best wishes and hope the justice gets served on this scum!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:26 AM   #27
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Yup, its sad there are people out there that would do this type of thing. Those people are not welcome here!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:34 AM   #28
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I really feel for you, Joey, and I do hope this matter gets sorted out in your favour.

One thing I don't understand - you sent him 2 watches PLUS $12K? Why? The asking price for the gold Sub was only $12K, so not sure how those 2 watches come into the picture.

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Old 24 December 2009, 02:38 AM   #29
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I really feel for you, Joey, and I do hope this matter gets sorted out in your favour.

One thing I don't understand - you sent him 2 watches PLUS $12K? Why? The asking price for the gold Sub was only $12K, so not sure how those 2 watches come into the picture.

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The price the the scammer's advert, said it was lowered to 11 thousand, but still does not matter thats alot of money!
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Old 24 December 2009, 02:41 AM   #30
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The price the the scammer's advert, said it was lowered to 11 thousand, but still does not matter thats alot of money!
Ok, but you still haven't answered my question. Where do the other 2 watches come into the picture?
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