New Patek 5236 P - Perpetual Calendar

[Tifoso48]

Hi everybody,

Just watched the video presentation on the new Patek watches.

I really quite liked the " in-line" perpetual 5236 P. I thought it was a great size, loved the color and of course most of all liked a totally different approach to perpetual calendar. I have one ( Vacheron), love it but really think the dials are very busy.

Would appreciate your thoughts.

[sxdcfv]

It's a great piece. The case looks like it is derived from the 5235. Another poster mentioned the lack of spacing between day, date, month made it a bit harder to read and I tend to agree. But it's a brilliant release IMO.

[Uros]

Cant help feeling it will have same fate as 5320g ending up selling with considerable discount although it looks like much better executed watch. For the proposed list price I would definitely consider 5270p...


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[raclaims]

The more I see it the more I like the clean execution of an PC...that said, I'm just not totally feeling it. I'm sure in person it will be stunning

[CastorKrieg]

Originally Posted by sxdcfv

It's a great piece. The case looks like it is derived from the 5235. Another poster mentioned the lack of spacing between day, date, month made it a bit harder to read and I tend to agree. But it's a brilliant release IMO.

The press release openly mentions 5235 as an inspiration, but interesting to note is that 5235 case is also based on PC Ref. 3448.

[jd57]

Beautiful brushed blue dial but don't love the day/date/month window.

And the price seems very steep (though I know platinum is always a premium) compared with other PCs by Patek and others.

Perhaps in person it will be more impressive but I find this and the new Calatrava both a bit underwhelming. After a year with minimal new material some new metals/dials on existing models would have been nice.

I waited to see today's releases and after seeing them put down a deposit on the new AL&S Lange One Perpetual.

[yessir69]

That one might take a little getting used to for me. All I can see right now is a huge hole in the dial under the Patek signature.

[Pauggle]

Technically impressive, but it’s not necessarily more readable than the conventional layout. So I think it’s a flex rather than a true improvement. And aesthetically.... for me it’s hard to get used to that long narrow hole on the dial.

[MCMartiny]

Pros
The5236 definitely scores a lot of points for novelty and technical ingenuity. I like the beautiful platinum case with some 3448 DNA and the beautiful blue textured dial.

Cons
I am, however, not really feeling the "unibrow" single aperture dial layout. The indications also seem to lack a bit of spacing between them, both for readability and visual balance. I feel the classic 3448 layout of the 5320 is somewhat superior aesthetically.

[azizu]

PC 5236P is a great hit and IMO might be a future collectable.
i appreciate the new complication introduction and that it needed an additional +100 parts to execute.
what i am not sure about is that the watch is essentially a regulator movement with PC module.
and the price is way above the PC range and more into the PCC range. i would prefer a 5270J over it

[Bosscheto]

I love the complication, but I am imagining this watch a bit more conservative. Yellow gold, white dial, ebony date/month/day disks.

[RollinMoses]

It looks like a stunning piece - look forward to one day seeing it in the metal - hard to tell from pictures alone the legibility of the day date window.

From a technical perspective - could anyone technically knowledgeable comment on whether there is a reason why the the 324 based PC could not also have a 3 aperture display for day date month as with the 5205 annual calendar? Looking over the 324 based PC variants with apertures they seem to have delivered multiple 2 aperture + 1 sub dial.

Would 3 separate apertures have been a smaller feat of re-engineering that this single aperture? I understand the lack of perfect symmetry of the apertures on the 5205 loses it points for some, but the 3 aperture display is perfectly legible and I would love to see a Patek PC with a similar layout.

[Murcielagoboy2]

Originally Posted by Bosscheto

I love the complication, but I am imagining this watch a bit more conservative. Yellow gold, white dial, ebony date/month/day disks.

Agree. I think that colour combination would work better.

[Moondoggy]

Just cannot get my head around the awkwardness of the day/date/month, I understand it requires a great deal of complexity to achieve however it looks cramped, the spacing between the date and the month is too small (however I do understand when a J month comes up it will be more forgiving) as the visual space between the T and the 1 is visually much larger, and the separate date wheels for the date look challenging. The choice of 18 for launch photos wasn't the best.

Saying that, yeah I would like one, it is a Patek, I am sure I will get the call for a twenty4.

[AK797]

Wonder if this is the early Jay Leno version, and future updates might see better spacing on the dates.

[MadSpaniard]

I think the new 5236P is undeniably a beautiful and aesthetically pleasing watch, with some extremely fine craftsmanship through and through.

However, from a purely practical point of view, I can't see how the day-date-month "unibrow" would be easy to read or convenient. That's 8 alphanumeric characters in a row, with the 2 most important ones (date numbers) being in the middle sandwiched between 3 characters on either side. Compounding that, all 8 characters are in the same font, with no clear emphasis/distinction on the middle 2.

Then there's the curvature of the disks in opposite directions between the left 4 and the right 4 characters, seemingly pulling the 2 date numbers apart rather than bringing them together to a unified point of focus.

So yeah, I totally agree it's gorgeous and technically impressive piece. But I think the unibrow cleverness comes at an unfortunate tradeoff in terms of legibility and usability.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure no one will buy this to easily figure out what day it is :-).

[watchucallit]

Of all the new releases-- I like this one the best. Would be great as daily wear piece but in general I don't like perpetuals as a PITA to reset

[kaiserphoenix]

I’ve already told my AD that i want to purchase this model. I love my 5235 and this is another great addition to it. I love how the movement fills the back up nicely like my 5235 bht instead has a higher beat rate at 28800 and also a platinum rotor which i never saw before in a perpetual calendar from patek. Overall i feel like this is a 21st century 3448 equivalent. Something that takes inspiration from the past but it’s not an homage and it’s not trying to be something else. It’s a unique look in its own which already divides opinion but for me it works.

[qrc36]

Not sure if this link has been shared previously, but it does not require logging in. Lots of high quality photos of the new releases, with different close ups and angles. Obviously it's not the same as seeing the watch in person!

https://www.patek.com/en/owners/lookbook

[mwireless]

Originally Posted by MCMartiny

Pros
The5236 definitely scores a lot of points for novelty and technical ingenuity. I like the beautiful platinum case with some 3448 DNA and the beautiful blue textured dial.

Cons
I am, however, not really feeling the "unibrow" single aperture dial layout. The indications also seem to lack a bit of spacing between them, both for readability and visual balance. I feel the classic 3448 layout of the 5320 is somewhat superior aesthetically.

Agreed! I can't get past the unibrow and how underwhelming it looks for a grand complication. This is a pass for me. I was really hoping for a much better grand comp release.

[JR16]

Ditto- the layout is just fugly to my eye


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[Calatrava r]

MSRP is pretty high on this reference relatively speaking to their other PCs.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

MSRP is pretty high on this reference relatively speaking to their other PCs.

Agreed. I love this piece. Seems like it's about $20k higher than it should be relative to other QPs, and especially the next step up (in the 5270 line).

[benlee]

Not really a fan of the date/day/month cramp into a single window. I am still waiting for a perpetual calendar version with a 5205 layout, but not a GC.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by benlee

Not really a fan of the date/day/month cramp into a single window. I am still waiting for a perpetual calendar version with a 5205 layout, but not a GC.

There is a PC that looks exactly like the 5205G - 5207G

But it has other complications as well.

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by benlee

Not really a fan of the date/day/month cramp into a single window. I am still waiting for a perpetual calendar version with a 5205 layout, but not a GC.

Patek considers a perpetual calendar as a grand complication

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by CastorKrieg

The press release openly mentions 5235 as an inspiration, but interesting to note is that 5235 case is also based on PC Ref. 3448.

5236P will follow the same secondary market path as the 5235

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

There is a PC that looks exactly like the 5205G - 5207G

But it has other complications as well.

I wouldn't say exact as 5207 has symmetrical day and month apertures

[Kittayos]

Originally Posted by jamestucker

5236P will follow the same secondary market path as the 5235

30% off for the first year and more subsequently.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by jamestucker

I wouldn't say exact as 5207 has symmetrical day and month apertures

Good spot. I missed that.