Gmt master II m series 3186 movement

[armen34]

Hi,

Wondering how rare it is to find a stick dial Pepsi with the newer 3186 movement and if there is a market for it?
Thanks

[Speed]

Please

[armen34]

Is this price for real?


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[manhattanproj]

prepare to pay a premium. do a search and you'll find a few.

[Maxy]

Originally Posted by armen34

Is this price for real?


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Possible.. there's one on this forum itself which is not NOS and selling for almost $20K, so I expect NOS to be around $24K.

If you ask me personally, that's ridiculous prices to pay for this watch and slight modification from 3185 to 3186!

[faimag]

They for anywhere from 15K to 25K. Too much in my opinion, though the GMT is my favorite watch. I think their production ran for 2 years or so (M and V?). Also have engraved rehaut if I am not mistaken.

[padi56]

Makes me smile about being rare yes they were made in smaller numbers but many hundreds possibly thousand of them around.And at one on the net the so called error or stick dial GMT must have a 3186 inside but afraid this was complete boswellocks.This hype was generated over the net and has driven prices up god knows why.

[henrylee]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=527985

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=535068

Here's two you can purchase

[karmatp]

Stick dials were made for years, I had a D serial pepsi with the sticks. The 3186 was mass produced for at least a year so I would say it is easy to find one.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by armen34

Hi,



Wondering how rare it is to find a stick dial Pepsi with the newer 3186 movement and if there is a market for it?

Thanks

So what do you think?

[Oyster Al]

Originally Posted by karmatp

Stick dials were made for years, I had a D serial pepsi with the sticks. The 3186 was mass produced for at least a year so I would say it is easy to find one.

Trever I'll meet you half way, the stick part is not significant because it spans several serials including the M where a large percentage of those have the sticks. Getting your hands on a m 3186 is quite difficult at any price. Worldwide demand and nobody letting their's go. Just counting here....5-6 total for sale some with papers, some without ...since last July.

[Danex]

That is a crazy price. I can get a minty white gold 116719 BLRO for less than that.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by armen34

Hi,

Wondering how rare it is to find a stick dial Pepsi with the newer 3186 movement and if there is a market for it?
Thanks

The dial doesn't have anything to do with it. Most Rolex Service Dials are 'stick' dials.

[zd550]

Extremely Pricey

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Danex

That is a crazy price. I can get a minty white gold 116719 BLRO for less than that.

I'd go this route before paying that for stick dial.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by faimag

They for anywhere from 15K to 25K. Too much in my opinion, though the GMT is my favorite watch. I think their production ran for 2 years or so (M and V?). Also have engraved rehaut if I am not mistaken.

Yes, you are mistaken.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by ronricks

The dial doesn't have anything to do with it. Most Rolex Service Dials are 'stick' dials.

That's interesting.

I didn't know that service dials could be stick. If true, this waters down the hype / rarity malarkey even more doesn't it?

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by Speed

That's interesting.

I didn't know that service dials could be stick. If true, this waters down the hype / rarity malarkey even more doesn't it?

They have been "stick" for a long time. Someone posted their service dial which long predates the 3186 versions. I can't find the thread though.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

They have been "stick" for a long time. Someone posted their service dial which long predates the 3186 versions. I can't find the thread though.

A lot of the D serial 16710s seemed to have stick dials, as well, for some reason. All with 3185.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by mtgjr

A lot of the D serial 16710s seemed to have stick dials, as well, for some reason. All with 3185.

The reason isn't mysterious. At some point Rolex had a small font change on the dial, and everything past that date got the "error" dial. After existing service stock got used up, those "error" dials became service dials.

Everyone (dealers primarily) is looking for the next hot flat 4/LV combination, and these "error" dials are an extension of that. It's important for consumers to be educated when looking at these expensive "rare" "error" dials. Unfortunately, a lot of people view these same dealers who pump the market as a source of education.

Would I pay $25,000 for a NOS GMT2 with the 3186? No. However, anyone who wants to should, but they should make sure to know what they're paying for.

[SeaDweller50]

No one in the right frame of mind would pay such an obscene amount of money for what is just another 16710. It's utter madness.

[ras47]

Originally Posted by Airborne

No one in the right frame of mind would pay such an obscene amount of money for what is just another 16710. It's utter madness.

Absolutely! Just because the "2" in the model written on the dial has the tiniest of lines on top and bottom folks are paying a premium??? In some cases it looks like a $10,000 premium! I'm sorry, but this is madness.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by ras47

Absolutely! Just because the "2" in the model written on the dial has the tiniest of lines on top and bottom folks are paying a premium??? In some cases it looks like a $10,000 premium! I'm sorry, but this is madness.

I think it has more to do with the movement than the numerals. I have a "stick dial" 16710, and didn't really pay any premium for it.

I also think it's madness to a certain extent, but that's the way the wheel turns, and that's the way the market has evolved. if i come across a 3186 16710 regardless of what i paid, and decided to sell it on an open market, I'm sorry but i too will charge a premium.

Why would I sell under market value, potentially giving away thousands of dollars, because I don't agree with the "hype". If I'm gonna be charitable, i would make a charitable donation to a good cause, not to fight against "internet Hype", which btw should really just be called "internet". "Hype" implies false promotion or marketing, you can fight it all you want but this type of price valuation is as organic as it gets (not the price in the OP though, that is just craziness).

People are paying premiums, buy or don't buy! No one's forcing anyone to buy any rolex.

[Alpino]

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Many Rolex models are sold with a premium for what could be considered a madness. Often the difference is a lot less what a 16710 with 3186 offers, like a single typography on the dial, or the fact than Paul Newman or any other celebrity could have eventually owned the same model.

And what to say about a Sub or a SD sold for us$100,000 , just to have comex written on the dial ?

With all that in mind, why all this trouble each time the 16710 3186 subject is opened ??? no other "hyped" Rolex generate the same reactions. Is it only jealousy from those who don't have it against those who have ?

[ras47]

No jealousy here. I'm shocked by ALL the premium prices paid for variations. Have you seen the prices for the Paul Newman Daytonas? I see them offered at $173,000!! I'm all about the free market. If people want to pay astronomical markups for anything, I say go with God. Your money, your call. I think it's insane, but it's everyone's right to be crazy and pay whatever they want for a product. Just don't expect me to understand. But hey, I don't think anybody cares what ras47 thinks about their purchase. At least I hope they don't! Of course I'm not a collector so that whole mindset is foreign to my way of thinking. The way I see it, we're lucky there are collectors. That is how I got a 10+ year old Rolex I coveted forever. A lot less supply would be available if it wasn't for folks having them to resell. And I paid MY price. So the system works, even if it seems irrational at times.


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[DGB]

Originally Posted by faimag

They for anywhere from 15K to 25K. Too much in my opinion, though the GMT is my favorite watch. I think their production ran for 2 years or so (M and V?). Also have engraved rehaut if I am not mistaken.

The 3186 movement is in the late Z and M serial, no engraved rehaut in the 16710.
There are Sticks and Rectangular dials, though the latter are less available the sticks seem to be more popular.

The most expensive would be the Pepsi, Stick, M with papers proving it is original (an original coke with a Pepsi bezel will loose value).

Original warrantee card would add $5k to the watch.

if you have one with original Jubilee, you've hit the jackpot ....

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by DGB

The 3186 movement is in the late Z and M serial, no engraved rehaut in the 16710.
There are Sticks and Rectangular dials, though the latter are less available the sticks seem to be more popular.

The most expensive would be the Pepsi, Stick, M with papers proving it is original (an original coke with a Pepsi bezel will loose value).

Original warrantee card would add $5k to the watch.

if you have one with original Jubilee, you've hit the jackpot ....

I thought they stopped offering the jubilee with 16710s? Obviously I know you can mount a 63600 bracelet but it's not considered to be original to that watch, that's for sure.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I thought they stopped offering the jubilee with 16710s? Obviously I know you can mount a 63600 bracelet but it's not considered to be original to that watch, that's for sure.

I've asked this question as well, as I wanted to know if my set up was a mod...or a period-correct variation.

Per the site below, it appears Julbilee was an option on a 16710. That said, I don't know if the option stopped at a specific serial letter. Mine is a D - no holes of course - so I have the 502T end links on the bracelet with the clasp.

http://gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-master_ref_16710.html

[DGB]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I thought they stopped offering the jubilee with 16710s? Obviously I know you can mount a 63600 bracelet but it's not considered to be original to that watch, that's for sure.

Some 16710 came with a 62510 H, not many though, especially in the later years.

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by Speed

I've asked this question as well, as I wanted to know if my set up was a mod...or a period-correct variation.

Per the site below, it appears Julbilee was an option on a 16710. That said, I don't know if the option stopped at a specific serial letter. Mine is a D - no holes of course - so I have the 502T end links on the bracelet with the clasp.

http://gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-master_ref_16710.html

If you need a proof, here it is. It was still an option for the very last 16710 ...


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